<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "is this a cheesy army?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net is this a cheesy army? 1 chaos lord on bike with mon melta bombs and demon weapon
20 chaos bikers with mon all plasmas
20 death guard in rhinos with demonic possession all plasmas
20 chaos spawn!!!!!
what to improve ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/562485.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/562485.page GMT is this a good army? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/563643.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/563643.page GMT Re:is this a good army? DP w/MoN and nurgles rot at 160pt]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/563748.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/563748.page GMT is this a good army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/564100.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/564100.page GMT is this a good army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/564249.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/564249.page GMT is this a cheesy army?
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Let a dreadnought fight against the bikes and spawns and there beaten..

a few skimmers can bring you down..

your plague marines will still hold objectives so its going to be a lot of draw's I think..

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30 Spawn is 1200 points... wow. That's a lot of points that could be spent better elsewhere.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/564806.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/564806.page GMT is this a cheesy army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/564810.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/564810.page GMT Re:is this a cheesy army?
This list is terrible. What were you thinking.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/564884.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/564884.page GMT is this a cheesy army? SaP and D6 attacks?
thats insanity!

i could take 2 biker nob units for that price! (not that i'd even take 1)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/564890.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/564890.page GMT is this a cheesy army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/564996.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/564996.page GMT Re:is this a cheesy army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/565079.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/565079.page GMT Re:is this a cheesy army?
Regwon wrote:If you had ever played with spawn you would realise just how bad they are. 30d6 attacks sounds good on paper but they are slow and purposeful so it will take them a few turns to get there. They have 90 wounds between them but not particularly high toughness and no armour save so they will die in droves to shooting.

This list is terrible. What were you thinking.


i have played with spawn ALOT!!! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/565093.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/565093.page GMT Re:is this a cheesy army?
This list is terrible. What were you thinking.

i have played with spawn ALOT!!!
i won every game i played with this army so is that a good enough answer???
also t 5 is fairly high]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/565096.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/565096.page GMT Re:is this a cheesy army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/565221.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/565221.page GMT is this a cheesy army?
typhus wrote:no its not!!!



/facepalm

i got to admit that i don't know what points level you're aiming at
please make that clear first.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/565287.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/565287.page GMT is this a cheesy army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/565380.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/565380.page GMT Re:is this a cheesy army? apoc level then just have as many plague marines and land raiders as you can with nurgle sorcs on bikes with dreads w/plasma cannons(you know how I love my dreads )]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/565397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/565397.page GMT is this a cheesy army? LR and moves it close to your spawn, that those 1200 points of jibbering madness will spend the rest of the game just mindlessly attacking a unit they cannot hurt? Spawn are only good when you create them with gifts of chaos. a T5 3 wound model with no save, and mindless is not good for 40 points. think about it this way. for THE SAME points cost, your opponent could take a BLOODCRUSHER! Which has 2 wounds, T5 S5 a 3+save furious charge 3 attacks ans power weapons!! Also, it is worth noting that for 1200 points you could take 3 brass scorpions! So which would you rather have, 30 spawn, or 3 brass scorpions? 30 spawn, or 30 bloodcrushers? 30 spawn, or 40 terminators? Just stop and think for a minute and you will see just how bad of an idea it is to take 30 spawn.

the bottom line is, take 30 spawn is a terrible, terrible, idea.


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typhus wrote:4000



The truly sad part is, when I read this I was thinking "huh, if this fits in 1750, it could be a fun/mildly tough game for my 1750 army".

At 4000, good lord this is an atrociously bad army.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/566036.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/566036.page GMT is this a cheesy army?
Dude, a CC army like Khornate CSM or Ghazghkull's Horde could absolutely wipe the floor with your list. Assloads of Spawn are so effing terrible it's beyond words. T5 means nothing when you don't generate NEARLY enough attacks to stop even their most basic units. You have no save IIRC, so 3 Wounds doesn't matter either. Oh you've got a lot of Bikers, cool that'll help me get into CC faster. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/566054.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/566054.page GMT Re:is this a cheesy army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/566104.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/566104.page GMT is this a cheesy army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/566232.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/566232.page GMT is this a cheesy army?
typhus wrote:i still dont fully agree with every one but i might consider dropping 10 of them for points


1200pts gets me...40 genestealers with scything talons, toxin sacs, acid maw, and implant attacks:

ws 6
bs 0
s 5
t 4
w 1
i 6
a 3
ld 10
sv 5+

Rending claws, re-rolling to wound rolls in the first round of combat, and each wound caused on a model that is unsaved turns into 2 wounds. I'm striking before you always. I have 120 attacks if you charge, and 160 attacks if I charge. If I charge you cause I am faster (fleet bitches your SaP) that's what like 100 odd attacks hitting of which 18 or so auto wound and thus cause 2 wounds on each of the wounded (36 wounds gone), then like 40 more wounds translating to another 80 wounds and re-rolls on the failed wounds meaning another 20 odd wounds translating to 40 wounds total and you have 30 dead spawn.

Well done.

Heck, I'd even model those Stealers purely so I could play your army.

Oh it's 4,000 pts is it? I'll just bring along 96 gargoyles, and 96 WoN Gaunts and spam the Monstrous creatures to really lay the smackdown.


You're posting on dakkadakka here. Ignore what everyone posts, go right ahead, Spawn are okay but as a whole they are very rarely used because they suck balls. You're posting on a board where powergamers live and you're ignoring everything everyone is saying. EVERYONE. Except you. Heck, I'd take your entire army with just expensive genestealer spam and then whose laughing?

Auretious Taak.

4,000 pts, damn but that blows.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/566348.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/566348.page GMT is this a cheesy army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/566542.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/566542.page GMT is this a cheesy army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/566564.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/566564.page GMT is this a cheesy army?
Sad year...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/566571.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/566571.page GMT Re:is this a cheesy army?
1 chaos lord on bike with mon
20 chaos bikers with mon
20 death guard in rhinos with demonic possesion
30 chaos spawn

How many points is this.
Frankly, I don't like Spawns or Bikers, but nevertheless the army looks interesting.
Any game experience with it? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/566630.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/566630.page GMT is this a cheesy army?
What to improve? Everything. Especially the anti-tank capabilities. this is probably the best example of how not to make a competative list.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/567833.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/567833.page GMT is this a cheesy army? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/567875.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/567875.page GMT Re:is this a cheesy army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/567878.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/567878.page GMT Re:is this a cheesy army?
wuestenfux wrote:
1 chaos lord on bike with mon
20 chaos bikers with mon
20 death guard in rhinos with demonic possesion
30 chaos spawn

How many points is this.
Frankly, I don't like Spawns or Bikers, but nevertheless the army looks interesting.
Any game experience with it?


yep i won a huge apocalypse battle yesterday!!!! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/567912.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/567912.page GMT Re:is this a cheesy army? imo not really. I doubt how effective this army is though.

And ya, saying you won a couple of battles with a army might tell a bit, but necessary nothing because the story don't tell us who you played against and what army he/she had.

And lastly, you maybe should consider to edit you army a bit when it obviously cheesey and your friends start complaing about it because the games start getting borring, but you shouldn't always take it to bad. There are alot of whinners out there that accuse people and their "cheesey" army just because they have bad temper after losing a couple of games.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/568111.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/568111.page GMT Re:is this a cheesy army?
typhus wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:
1 chaos lord on bike with mon
20 chaos bikers with mon
20 death guard in rhinos with demonic possesion
30 chaos spawn

How many points is this.
Frankly, I don't like Spawns or Bikers, but nevertheless the army looks interesting.
Any game experience with it?


yep i won a huge apocalypse battle yesterday!!!!


Apocalypse (and games in general) are an incredibly bad way to judge an armies effectiveness, as there's too many variables.

1) You may have other people on your side who don't bring sucktastic armies
2) Your opponents may bring even more sucktastic armies
3) Apocalypse has crazy assets and formations that make certain sucktastic armies downright...am..az..tastic?


If it works, and you like it, keep playing it. But to end the "debate" (in which the "this is cheese" side hasn't actually existed to date) its not cheese. Its not even a good army. According to everyone in the thread (myself included) not only is it not a good army, its a downright awful army.

If your opponents are crying cheese, its more likely over what assets you're using to accompany this in some sort of weird APOC trick (god knows theres enough).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/568124.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/568124.page GMT Re:is this a cheesy army? 40k only whinners who complain. If you like the list play the list and decide for yourself if it is any good and fits your style of play. Don't put to much credence on what others say, they have their own opinions and what works for them might not work for you. If you like it and have fun with it then play it and enjoy! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/568158.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/568158.page GMT is this a cheesy army? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/568200.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/568200.page GMT is this a cheesy army?
wuestenfux

1 chaos lord on bike with mon
20 chaos bikers with mon
20 death guard in rhinos with demonic possesion
30 chaos spawn


How many points is this.
Frankly, I don't like Spawns or Bikers, but nevertheless the army looks interesting.
Any game experience with it?


CaptainCommunsism

this looks like about a 2300-ish point list.



To both of you, I'd just like to point out that all you did was post a response and NOT read anything already posted.

wuestenfux, it particularly shames you because of how prolific a poster you are here.

Less then 2/3's down the first page is your answer.

Crap guys there was only a page of responses, READ THEM FIRST NEXT TIME AND STOP WASTING EVERYONES TIME!

CaptainCommunsism, to your statements on there being no anti-tank, no aspiring champs nothing of the kind in there, look at the list it is a summary saying what models are there. There aren't points costs, there aren't wargear options, nothing of the kind. Make the assumption that not everyone is a baby regardless of whether they are packing spawn in such numbers because you know meltaguns and Aspiring Champs with powerfists/meltabombs are pretty stock standard in such a list and how else is he gonna have won an apocalypse battle if he didn't have anti-tank firepower?

Auretious Taak.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/568251.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/568251.page GMT is this a cheesy army?
But on a more serious note, has ANYONE else ever played with this many spawn or even a third this many? A small piece of me thinks Typhus is just making it up and hasn't ever done this or would even think of doing it in real life.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/569064.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/569064.page GMT is this a cheesy army?
Bad troll is bad. People should just ignore this sort of stuff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/569982.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/569982.page GMT is this a cheesy army? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/570018.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/570018.page GMT Re:is this a cheesy army?
typhus wrote:1 chaos lord on bike with mon
20 chaos bikers with mon
20 death guard in rhinos with demonic possesion[


Auretious Taak wrote:
there aren't wargear options,
Auretious Taak.


The op was clear enough to credit some viable responses (as such as have been posted on this threat) but vague enough to warrent some sceptism (again, also seen on this threat). I reckon your trying to fight the cause purely coz you wanted to have a rant. Ive quoted above to counter some of the remarks you made.
Any one can do it, it aint hard.

My opinions on the matter - Typhus - If you fancy making a whimsical army slightly fiesable please be a bit more clear about your intentions & likewise if you seriously concider a list to be viable and worthy (of the title cheese?) say so. In general put a bit more effort in, otherwise everyone else will go crazy over (OMG! 30 SPAWNS) that many spawns
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wuestenfux, it particularly shames you because of how prolific a poster you are here.

Well, I always try to be constructive. Here obviously not. Sorry.

What to improve?
Basically nothing but the upgrades.
The Lord should have some nasty weapon, the Bikers should be led by AC (meltabombs) and PM should get plasma guns.
Hope this helps.

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wuestenfux wrote:
wuestenfux, it particularly shames you because of how prolific a poster you are here.

Well, I always try to be constructive. Here obviously not. Sorry.

What to improve?
Basically nothing but the upgrades.
The Lord should have some nasty weapon, the Bikers should be led by ACs (meltabombs) and PM should get plasma guns.
Hope this helps.

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em_en_oh_pee wrote:At $20 for a pair of them, the guy must be oozing cash. $300 bucks worth of Chaos Spawn? Wow.

Bad troll is bad. People should just ignore this sort of stuff.


he has at least say 10-15 of them made(i've seen them) and a lot of bitz left over to make more so he's well on his way to making his 30 spawn trust me, would i ever lie to dakka]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/578642.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/578642.page GMT is this a cheesy army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/578696.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/578696.page GMT is this a cheesy army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/578788.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/578788.page GMT is this a cheesy army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/581563.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/581563.page GMT is this a cheesy army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/581649.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/581649.page GMT is this a cheesy army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/581809.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/581809.page GMT is this a cheesy army?
Aedh11 wrote:Can't believe I just read all this..../sob

Some threads should come with "read at own risk" disclaimers.
As for spawn,the only real use I have found for them is sticking one or two between a dreadnought and the units I dont want blasted/maimed if the Dread goes ape ,oddly,I considered this a bit of a points waist....well that is until now. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/581836.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/581836.page GMT is this a cheesy army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/581975.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/581975.page GMT is this a cheesy army? apoc game it works really well if you use them well but one mistake could cost you all your spawn so i say go for it and keep trying although i would lesson the amount just for the fact you need some heavier hitters. and no its not cheesy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/582029.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/582029.page GMT is this a cheesy army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/582919.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/582919.page GMT is this a cheesy army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/587597.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/587597.page GMT Re:is this a cheesy army? IMO if you want a "playable" army you should at least drop half the spawn
and put in some Havocs/DP/or just more PM.

......30 spawn... if you are'nt buying them in the Tide of Spawn
set you must be..... friggin crazy!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/588104.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/588104.page GMT Re:is this a cheesy army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/588121.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/588121.page GMT is this a cheesy army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/590161.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230049/590161.page GMT