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Far from guaranteed of course, but you can always soften them up with a few screeches from the Banshee to begin with, or allocate attacks to the Banner Bearer, who having taken the Magic Banner won't have a great deal of protection.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/565818.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/565818.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN
Far from guaranteed of course, but you can always soften them up with a few screeches from the Banshee to begin with, or allocate attacks to the Banner Bearer, who having taken the Magic Banner won't have a great deal of protection.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/565819.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/565819.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/565824.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/565824.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN
Impact Hits *should* make up for your lack of static Res somewhat, and the Coach ought to be tough enough to handle any desultory attacks back, the impact hits having taken out most of the fighting rank.

Sure, it's a lot of points to take out one unit, but a fair fight is of course, a fools fight.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/565829.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/565829.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN lol, point taken.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/565833.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/565833.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/565834.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/565834.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/565835.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/565835.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN
Against High Elves, I would always take the Bloodline that allows you all spells from one Lore, and go with Lore of Death.

That then gives you reliable access to Doom and Darkness, dropping their Ld down to a paltry 5. More than likely to be hitting on a 6 due to fear after that, and a well timed exposure to Terror...well, chances are they will flee. Combined with a flying Terror Causer, a casting of Van Hels, you stand an excellent chance of taking out an entire unit with throwing a single punch.

All you need to do is to position your Terror Causing flier (Terror Bloodline, and a HEllsteed is good for this, cheapish as well) near enough to the enemy in the movement phase (within 2" is best if poss) cast Doom and Darkness on the unit to be charged, then Van Hels. The enemy unit then takes, and ideally fails it's Terror test, and it's fleeing.

What works even better is a movement spell that allows the units full move. 2D6 flee rarely outstrips a fliers pace!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/565842.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/565842.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/565845.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/565845.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Wraiths will utterly hump Swordmasters. They physically cannot hurt you, and there is a fair chance of them fleeing from Terror in the first place.

Far from guaranteed of course, but you can always soften them up with a few screeches from the Banshee to begin with, or allocate attacks to the Banner Bearer, who having taken the Magic Banner won't have a great deal of protection.


Unless the player does the smart thing and gives the champion the amulet of light. then the whole unit has magic attacks. If you are going to play against undead, one of your champions has to have this item!!!

Phoenix Guard are better IMO, because they will actually see combat. Against an army that has even a little shooting the SwordMasters will get shot to pieces.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/565984.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/565984.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/566273.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/566273.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/566274.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/566274.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/566323.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/566323.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/570961.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/570961.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN
tomlowbridge wrote:no, swordmaster will kick anyones butts becasue of ASF and great weapons help cut vamps to pieces

Chariots handle swordmasters very well. Typically strength 5-6 and many come or can be upgraded to be considered scythed and do d6+1 hits on the charge. Wounding on a 2+ with no armor save, elf go squish. Also, you can often put a hero on the chariot, hit the unit and issue a challenge. If your opponent is dumb enough to accept all the impact hits hit the champion (I believe), then the champion attacks, followed by your hero. More than likely the impact hits will have rendered him into a paste and you will get massive combat resolution from overkill+wounds.
Don't get me wrong, Swordmasters are powerful against other rank and file, but they do have their weaknesses and anyone saying they can kick anyone's butt has never had a boar chariot or similar unit smash them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/571587.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/571587.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/571786.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/571786.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN str 6 attacks will beat those pesky dragon princes to mush. also secret surprises IE assasins are very killy and cheap two i like running two of them both with runes of khain and different gifts to make em uber nasty. Their WS 9 and int 10 and always strikes first and rerolls makes them something for every general playing against DE to be weary. So typically beat them at their own game. other armies have seer volume they can use to smother HE.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/571838.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/571838.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN str 4 with the weapon and have a 4+ ward. they don't die as easy and have a better initiative so have a better chance of going first against other ASF troops. I the case you gave above with the black guard, we would dice off. BUt Typically, you should shoot them because if you get into combat you are risking a lot, especially if I get Vauls Unmaking off on your unit and get rid of your pesky ASF banner or other dreaded magic Item.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/572470.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/572470.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN DE where they get 75 shots a round which is nothing to laugh at.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/572601.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/572601.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN ASF says initiative, not charging. It's an oddity of the rule.

And why waste DE melee on swordmasters when repeater crossbows eviscerate them?

As for VC, unless you build soft, HEs shouldn't be too tough regardless of how many SMs they field!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/572634.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/572634.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN FAQ. It always goes in Initiative order if both have ASF.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2220025_Warhammer_FAQ_part2_Feb_2009

Pg. 6 right hand column.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/572638.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/572638.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN GW put that on a FAQ

It also says that in the main rulebook]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/572644.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/572644.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN ASF. trust me its never a waste giveing it to the black guard and watching them shred HE. Black guard and phonix guard have the same int of 6 and if both have ASF it goes by who charged. besides assassins have int 10 so they "will" always go first and do the dirty work. I think you guys misunderstood what i was trying to get at when i was talking about the whole black guard vs HE thing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/572831.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/572831.page GMT SPEED OF ASURYAN
nieto666 wrote:Black guard and phonix guard have the same int of 6 and if both have ASF it goes by who charged.


If they both have ASF and the same initiative charging has nothing to do with it. You roll a d6, highest goes first.

Yes the assassin will go first because of initiative 10 and ASF

Adding something more constructive, i do like your ideas with Black Guard and the Hag Banner
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Budda 09 wrote:nice, vampire counts can be powerful if you use them in the right ways
Uh, as in just about every way? Let's see... yes, they rock in Magic. Yes, they rock in HtH. Yes, they have ethereal units that can't be shot very easily. Yes, they have very fast units that hit very hard. Yes, they never run away, and largely ignore the deleterious effects of the psychology rules. Hmmm, basically, they are powerful almost all the time, the whole "use them in the right way" is specious.

In fact, other armies have to specifically build to respond to VC, or will lose. When was the last time you saw a VC army that was "tailered" to fight against a dwarf or empire army? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/574692.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230239/574692.page GMT