http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net str 7 but d3 wounds per wound!!! My poor forest dragon bit the big one in the 1st turn and i had the charge not to inlcude the noble on the back had helm of the and the spear that gives him killing blow, already aware that killing blow only works on unit str2 or less models. anyways with 5 str 5 attacks and 6 str 6 attacks i wounded it twice then it thrashed my dragon. It no longer counts as a large target which make no sense at all, its not included on his porfile so my friend ran him with a unit of cold ones. So if its no longer a large target and in a unit targeting him directly with bolt throwers is out of the question just looking for tips. By the way i run WE and DE, wish i wouldve brought my darkelves that day. He also had a stegadon with a machine of the gods or whatever it is so the stupid thing had ward saves.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/569770.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/569770.page GMT
It's not pleasant, but you could just tarpit it or ignore it.

anyway, the ward save from Engine of the Gods is only for ranged attacks from more than 12" away from the machine.

?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/569834.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/569834.page GMT WE, and I already don't like the Lizardboyz.

Now I don't know much of Carnesaurs, or Lizardboyz for that matter, but maybe countering their cavalry with our specialist cavalry oughta do the trick. Wild Riders might do it.

But who gets to ride the Carnesaur? I'm thinking leader characters might, so how about throwing a Netlinged Treeman Ancient at it? Throw him there and get him to issue a challenge. There, that Carnesaur is only hitting him on 6's. Unless I have the aspect of challenges messed up. Even if that thing does hit the Treeman there's no way he'll die in one shot.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/569835.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/569835.page GMT
You could always feed him an eagle to chase via bait and flee (as your other rare will be the treeman ancient)

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/570039.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/570039.page GMT DE i was thinking about useing my excutioners with a battle standard bearer and the banner of hag graf and lineing them up directly across from him, of course he'd expect that tactic from but it wouldnt hurt to try!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/570349.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/570349.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/570511.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/570511.page GMT
Treemen Ancient with Netlings would REALLY mess him up, though he could do some hefty damage to your regular Treemen if you don't kill him first. Alter-noble w/ GW can out range him and could kill him, though that's far more risky (and probably won't do anything). Best bet here is to shoot, shoot, shoot.

DE can just get in there with a Dragon and wipe him out, Hydras would tear him up something fierce most likely, or at least beat him by a decent number in combat. Cold One Knights can do the job on the charge.

Other than that, just avoid him and shoot him/his unit. Both armies should be able to pull that off fairly well.

For DE keep him away from Chariots and Manticores, he should lose to a Dragon unless he rolls stupid well, but your Dragon + Rider should get the charge on him and wipe out the Carny before he can even swing.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/570560.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/570560.page GMT str 5 were both saved. now when he hit back he hit my dragon twice and wounded it twice now each roll to wound does d3 wound so i took five in all!! charge a carnasaur with a dragon if you want but i found out the hard thats a bad idea and after he wounds something he becomes frenzied as does the rider so mory biggie killy. I think DE cheesey could stack well a assassin with the venom sword might take of the problem for me. Although my friend does post on these forums so he might see this and put in his two cents on the matter.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/570621.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/570621.page GMT
My DE Lord on Dragon dish out 9 S6 attacks all the time, on the first round of combat that should statically do over 5 wounds to the Carny, and he gets no save.

Granted without DE re-rolls you're going to have problems with it not dying and then chomping down on the Dragon, unless it's a HE Star Dragon then it needs 5's to hit. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/570848.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/570848.page GMT
But Monsters generally cannot join any unit, so it shouldn't be able to hide in Cold Ones.....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/570862.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/570862.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/570871.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/570871.page GMT WS 6 an Oldblood is very likely to cause 2-3 hits and force 2-3 leadership tests that kill the model on failure, then if they pass, the Oldblood still gets to roll to wound at strength 5. Put all your attacks on the carnasaur and he kills your rider or mount or both through the weapon's effect. Put all your attacks on the rider, the mount eats a dragon or rider or both.
The carnasuar is bred to gut multi-wound models. Put a rank and file unit on it and make sure that when/if that unit breaks he runs way the hell away from your forces and try to stay away from him. Otherwise, let him gobble something to become frenzied and do what all good generals do to something with frenzy.
Also, the ward save was the number 3 spell from the lore of heaven, not the 5+ ward save from the engine of the gods I believe.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/570886.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/570886.page GMT DE which i beleave would have done much better ive gotten so use to rerolls its stupid. anyways i told you he'd post.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/571820.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/571820.page GMT WE instead. Against your DE you wouldn't have seen my carnasuar as I would have used the points to rock the magic toad instead.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/573225.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/573225.page GMT DE all the new codexs comeing out are makeing my WE less effective cant wait for a new so then my magic phase rocks out.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/574179.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/574179.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/575006.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/575006.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/575127.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/575127.page GMT
Throw a terrible unit at the Carnosaur or his unit.

Go by initiative, the Carny should get to go before most other stuff in the unit (after the old blood), kill something, and is then Frenzied.

Congratulations, you may now lead him around by the nose. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/575188.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/575188.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/575236.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/575236.page GMT
It's a permissive rules set, the model has to make its attacks. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/575329.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/575329.page GMT You'd just have to be careful with the carnasaur. It has the weakness of becoming frenzied along with being M7, T5 and 4+ save. That's why him and a kitted out lord costs on average 200 pts less than lords on dragons.
He could always flee as a reaction]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/575362.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/575362.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/576914.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/576914.page GMT GWs. I think a large block of White Lions would chew him up and would have the combat resolution to stick the fight out]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/577536.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/577536.page GMT Back to the topic.
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Don't know anything about Wood Elves so can't say. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/604723.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/604723.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/605036.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230472/605036.page GMT