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				<description><![CDATA[ Revised list from a while back using a single force organization chart.  It's not apocalypse but it's what we'll be starting with to make our way into apocalypse most likely. Please lemme know what you all think..<br /> <br /> Abaddon 275<br /> Sorc - Terminator, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(101);'>MoS</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(85);'>LoS</span>, Familiar, GoC, Icon 185<br /> <br /> 6 Terminators - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(237);'>IoT</span>, 4xCombi-Plasma 235<br /> 6 Terminators - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(237);'>IoT</span>, 4xCombi-Plasma 235<br /> <br /> 10 Plague Marines - 2xMelta, Icon, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, Rhino 330<br /> 10 Plague Marines - 2xMelta, Icon, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, Rhino 330<br /> 10 Berzerkers - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span> 240<br /> 10 Berzerkers - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span> 240<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> 240 (Dedicated)<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> 240 (Dedicated)<br /> 3 Obliterators 225<br /> 3 Obliterators 225<br /> <br /> 3000 on the dot.  Will be fighting against my buddies 3000 space marine army ;P  His is 100% mechanized, everything is in a tank, including a crusader and standard land raider, 8 assault <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> termies, Marneus and a 7 or 8 man relic blade honor guard, about 10 las cannons, 40 troops, and possibly a librarian with null zone, and vindicator.<br /> <br /> My tactics - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LRs</span> carry berzerkers, rhinos with plaguies follow behind.  Abaddon and sorc each get a squad of termies, and obliterators possibly deepstrike (yeah you heard me..).  GoC is specifically for his termies and marneus, I just hope using lash isn't a waste if they're all in tanks <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>.  I may infact give him <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(102);'>MoT</span> and GoC alone so he can cast it twice and get the extra protection..<br /> <br /> I would love to give all my termies combi-plasma but I'm afraid it's gonna have to be combi-melta, not sure whether I wanna give them each a fist or not, although Abaddon sure as hell can handle the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> by himself.<br /> <br /> What do you guys think?  Positive criticism welcome.]]></description>
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				<title>Re:CSM 3000 - 1 FOC - Revised</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I'd say lose 1 or 2 oblits, deep strike the rest and cause havoc from the rear before eventually dying. with the points saved, mech your army to hell and back so your opponent cant take advantage of your slower units, especially the zerkers. they need to survive long enough to assault his shooty units, wich they wont be able to do if they're footslogging.<br /> Otherwise, seems pretty good.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(17);'>BTW</span> whats the transport capacity with chaos <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LRs</span>? if its 12 like the loyalist ones, you wont be able to carry your termies and characters in them ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:33:56]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ freaky angel]]></author>
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				<title>CSM 3000 - 1 FOC - Revised</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ If I were you, I would give the berzerkers and the plague marines Personal Icons and then deepstrike both terminator squads. This will allow you to get in close and use your combi-meltas and then assault later. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:10:47]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:CSM 3000 - 1 FOC - Revised</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Forgive me if I was unclear, but yes both terminator squads will be deepstriking along with Abaddon, the sorc, and possibly the obliterators.  <br /> <br /> The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LRs</span> are both for each berzerker squad.  They are simply dedicated to the termies so that don't take up an option in the force organization chart, otherwise not enough room for obliterators..  Everything on the table will be in armor, that isn't deepstriking - is the general idea.  They simply wouldn't be able to start IN the tank on deployment, but embark first turn.<br /> <br /> The personal icons on both Abaddon and the sorc are reassurance that they, the termies, and oblitskies start close to eachother (depending on who drops first though unfortunately).  I may consider giving 1 or 2 squads a personal icon to ensure this doesn't go wrong.  Thanks for the advice on that.<br /> <br /> I may still consider giving the terminators all combi-plasma yet though, as I think (I hope) I'd have enough <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span> to take out a vehicle or two then lay waste to it's contents with plasma (down to the power fist especially).  But I guess 10 melta shots can do the same if I'm lucky.. as well as act as extra <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span> support.  What do you think?  <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>Plas</span> or melt?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:19:50]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Beerfiend]]></author>
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				<title>CSM 3000 - 1 FOC - Revised</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>Plas</span> or melt?<br /> <br /> In a good Chaos army, on anything other than Plaguers, it's kinda the same thing. Depends on if you always want to assault or not. For combi-termi sake, I prefer melta as it's a little more versatile.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:54:59]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Cannerus_The_Unbearable]]></author>
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				<title>CSM 3000 - 1 FOC - Revised</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Combi meltas are really only worth it if you are light on anti tank elswhere.  Lists with oblits usually don't need combi meltas.  A DSing pair of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> or twin linked <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(563);'>MG</span> is more versitale than wasting a squad of terms on it, who have to be within 6" to be effective.<br /> <br /> When DSing in, 2 shots from each combi <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>plas</span> at S7 AP2 is much better.  It obliterates squads of elites who are coutning on their armor to protect them.  Like sternguard.  Send a rhino with someone with an icon inside their way, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(471);'>DS</span> the terms withign 12" watch 5-8 dissapear.  Lash them out of cover first if they are hiding like little girls.  <br /> <br /> It is even worth it in smaller games to do 3 terms with combi <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>plas</span>.  Being able to destroy 4-5 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(95);'>MEQ</span>'s reliably in the backfield is pretty nice.  Oh, 5 man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(29);'>dev</span> sqaud, or a thunderfire cannon causing you problems?  105 points of terms (or 110 if you play it safe and give one a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>pf</span>) can fix that problem right up.)  Does wonders to necron destroyers and non Storm shield terms as well.<br /> <br /> Meph<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:44:25]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Mephistoles1]]></author>
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				<title>CSM 3000 - 1 FOC - Revised</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ 115 a fist for termis is 10 points<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:35:16]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ waaagh!orksrocks]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Pretty solid list there.  I would put icons on the plague marines and drop the oblits with them.  Drop them behind the rhino but with a line of site to drop their plates. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:45:22]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Inigo Montoya]]></author>
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				<title>Re:CSM 3000 - 1 FOC - Revised</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks for the wise input folks, I made changes to the list and gave each plague squad an icon courtesy of 2 combis off the termies unfortunately ;P  Although I did indeed make it combi-plasma for sure.<br /> <br /> I still haven't decided whether or not I wanna keep lash considering my opponent's completely armoured (wish you could lash tank drivers!) - mark of tzeentch and being able to cast GoC twice may serve me better.  If I do that it'll save me the 10 points for more combi-plasma, OR 1 pfist per term squad and 3 combi-plasma.<br /> <br /> But now I'm just being indecisive <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:19:30]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Beerfiend]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ chosen with heavy weps!!!]]></description>
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