<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Is this legal???"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/7.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Is this legal???
The biggy for me is this: An ork player has a unit of 30 ork boys. He gets a painboy and cyborks for the whole unit. Is this legal? And do the cyborks really give a 5+ invulnerable save for only 5 points a boy?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575760.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575760.page GMT Is this legal??? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575770.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575770.page GMT Is this legal???
Also, what is Mad Doc Grotsnik? Is it like a painboy upgrade or a character? He just gets a plain old painboy and he moves his unit wherever he wants.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575771.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575771.page GMT Re:Is this legal???
As for the question of the Cyborks, if he fielded Mad Doc Grotsnik, then yes, any unit in the army may upgrade to Cybork Bodies for 5+ points a model.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575775.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575775.page GMT Is this legal??? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575778.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575778.page GMT Re:Is this legal???
The Bringer wrote:Also, what is Mad Doc Grotsnik? Is it like a painboy upgrade or a character? He just gets a plain old painboy and he moves his unit wherever he wants.


Yes, he is an HQ Special Character. You are also allowed to look at your opponent's roster. That's a good place to start if you are ever in doubt.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575792.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575792.page GMT Is this legal??? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575798.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575798.page GMT Is this legal???
Platuan4th wrote:He's cheating if it's not Grotsnik, as only Nobz and Flash Gitz have access to Painboyz otherwise.


From what the OP says, he's cheating either way - if it's not Grotsnik, they can't get the upgrades, and if it IS Grotsnik, he doesn't get the freedom of movement.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575814.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575814.page GMT Re:Is this legal??? KFF, totally off topic.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575830.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575830.page GMT Is this legal???
DaBoss wrote:What do you mean by "freedom of movement"? If you are referring to his "One Scalpel Short of a Medpack" rule, that only applies to himself and units he is attached to. Purchasing Cybork bodies with him in the army is not limited to units he is a part of. Cheaper option is still a KFF, totally off topic.


The Bringer wrote:Also, what is Mad Doc Grotsnik? Is it like a painboy upgrade or a character? He just gets a plain old painboy and he moves his unit wherever he wants.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575837.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575837.page GMT Is this legal???
only possible way to have a painboy in a unit of boyz is to take mad dok grotsnik as a HQ choice.
boyz can then have the cyborks at 5 points each.
the unit follows the "One Scalpel Short of a Medpack" rule.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575841.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575841.page GMT Is this legal???
Platuan4th wrote:He's cheating if it's not Grotsnik, as only Nobz and Flash Gitz have access to Painboyz otherwise.[/quote

Indeed. My servies can be hired by anyone. Unlike those frigid other Docs, 2 Babychams and I'm anybodies!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575925.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575925.page GMT Is this legal???

I will make it legal.


In all serious, no. dude's cheating you. Beg, steal or borrow a copy of Codex: Orks and call him on his shenanigans. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575928.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575928.page GMT Is this legal???
The Bringer wrote:None of these things were mentioned...

Also, what is Mad Doc Grotsnik? Is it like a painboy upgrade or a character? He just gets a plain old painboy and he moves his unit wherever he wants.

This is certainly illegal. I stopped using Grotsnik after losing two games because I had to move off objectives to engage units (one of which was a drop pod!).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575949.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575949.page GMT Is this legal???
FYI, he's very personal about his codex and anyone looking at his list.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575972.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575972.page GMT Is this legal???
chaplaingrabthar wrote:

I will make it legal.


In all serious, no. dude's cheating you. Beg, steal or borrow a copy of Codex: Orks and call him on his shenanigans.


That made me laugh pretty hard

I play against the same guy, so im curious about the validity of this as well. Also, not sure about this, but it has been loosley inferred in some of the above posts that the 5 points for cybork thing is only available when Grotsnick is taken as HQ. Is this true? or is Cybork available for 5 pts (or otherwise) period?

(also this player has a thing about people looking through his codex, which also happens to be the only one around... so we really have no way to validate any of his clams... )
thanks]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575978.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/575978.page GMT Is this legal??? You must be new here. Do not recommend downloading a codex you don't own. It's IP theft, and illegal. - Iorek]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576005.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576005.page GMT Re:Is this legal??? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576008.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576008.page GMT Is this legal???
I have all the Fantasy books thus far published, and all the 4th Ed 40k Codecies. Know your Foe is a good mazim, and if nothing else, it gives you summat to read whilst on the bog.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576013.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576013.page GMT Is this legal???
Corndoggy wrote:
I play against the same guy, so im curious about the validity of this as well. Also, not sure about this, but it has been loosley inferred in some of the above posts that the 5 points for cybork thing is only available when Grotsnick is taken as HQ. Is this true? or is Cybork available for 5 pts (or otherwise) period?

(also this player has a thing about people looking through his codex, which also happens to be the only one around... so we really have no way to validate any of his clams... )
thanks


As was mentioned above, only Nobz and Flash Gitz can have painboyz. They provide cybork 5 points per model. Now then, most HQ choices have the option for cybork bodies too, but that is 10 points. Grotsnik allows any model to have cybork for 5 points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576021.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576021.page GMT Is this legal???
I play against the same guy, so im curious about the validity of this as well. Also, not sure about this, but it has been loosley inferred in some of the above posts that the 5 points for cybork thing is only available when Grotsnick is taken as HQ. Is this true? or is Cybork available for 5 pts (or otherwise) period?

(also this player has a thing about people looking through his codex, which also happens to be the only one around... so we really have no way to validate any of his clams... )
thanks


If this guy is acting so secretly about his list and codex, then this should have shot up a "red flag" that something was not right. He should be more than glad to share the "only" source to the Orcs 'dex. One of you should buy it and bust him on his shady playing and most of all, call him out on it. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576046.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576046.page GMT Is this legal???
Shelling out 5 pts per standard Boy, just to give a 5+ Invulnerable is a waste.

Now, stuff like Lootas, probably worth it. But not boyz.

Nor does my namesake give them Cybork Bodies just by joining the unit!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576051.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576051.page GMT Re:Is this legal???
that clears things up nicely. Thanks guys ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576054.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576054.page GMT Is this legal???
Also, thanks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576587.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576587.page GMT Is this legal???
The Bringer wrote:Thanks.

FYI, he's very personal about his codex and anyone looking at his list.


So your opponent doesn't like anyone looking at his lis or his codex? Sounds like someone is trying to pull a fast one. My recommendation? Buy or borrow an Ork codex, at the beginning of your next game, if he won't show you his list, sit there and go over with him each unit in his army adding up the points and writing it down, then reference that any time he tries to do something like pull Cybork bodies out of thin air........]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576591.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576591.page GMT Re:Is this legal???

Also, just to clear the guys name, he really is a nice guy, and wouldnt cheat on purpose, he just doesnt always read his dex very thoroughly. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576596.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576596.page GMT Re:Is this legal???
Corndoggy wrote:aright thanks guys. went and found a version of the dex. should help in future

Also, just to clear the guys name, he really is a nice guy, and wouldnt cheat on purpose, he just doesnt always read his dex very thoroughly.


Thanks for the help. My bro has now found a downloadable codex and a free points calculator. If anyone else has any similar issues, please feel free to post.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576598.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576598.page GMT Re:Is this legal???
Corndoggy wrote:aright thanks guys. went and found a version of the dex. should help in future

Also, just to clear the guys name, he really is a nice guy, and wouldnt cheat on purpose, he just doesnt always read his dex very thoroughly.

It's not like this game isn't insanely complex, and people could have more than one reason for not letting their fellow gamers get their cheato-stained fingers all over their one and only copy of the ork 'dex. Lord knows I've run into enough people I didn't feel comfortable sharing a book with, or anywhere near my models. Didn't mean I was cheating!

I'd be polite with dude the first time. Anybody can screw up. After that kick his ass.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576682.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576682.page GMT Re:Is this legal???
The Bringer wrote:
Corndoggy wrote:aright thanks guys. went and found a version of the dex. should help in future

Also, just to clear the guys name, he really is a nice guy, and wouldnt cheat on purpose, he just doesnt always read his dex very thoroughly.


Thanks for the help. My bro has now found a downloadable codex and a free points calculator. If anyone else has any similar issues, please feel free to post.


Well, downloadable content is cheating just as much as not reading the real codex.. looks like you both are spades today...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576743.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576743.page GMT Is this legal???
See how nice he is when you refuse to paly him because he won't let you straghten him out on the rules.

Everyone is nice when things are always going their way.

"Back, it's MY codex! I will tell you what it says! Back I say!"
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Fiendcrackar! wrote:Heh. Just [visit] some sort of [store] or something and [buy] the codex.


Pretty sure Dakka has rules about encouraging illegal IP violations. Might want to watch it there, chief.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576864.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576864.page GMT Is this legal???
The Bringer wrote:Thanks.

FYI, he's very personal about his codex and anyone looking at his list.


If he's not showing you his list, show him page 92 of the BGB. The game is about full disclosure unless you both agree otherwise.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576872.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/576872.page GMT Is this legal??? p.s does codex's have an ' or is it codexes/codex.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/577777.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/577777.page GMT Is this legal???
REAPER666 wrote:if they have an excuse to not let you read their codex, go on [deleted by Moderator], it has all the basic codex's.
p.s does codex's have an ' or is it codexes/codex.


Neither, it's Codices.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/577790.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/577790.page GMT Is this legal??? GW IP, especially considering how sue-happy they can be.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/577909.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/577909.page GMT Is this legal???
Im not sure, if it is just the basic rules without the pictures or any other fluff (and possibly no point values as well as he has to show you your army list anyways) I think is legal and quite a good idea. My reasoning for this is I beleive the Japanese GW has all of the codexs available online for free, thought they are in Japanese.

Also, as long as they can't build an army and don't get any of the extras that come with the codex I don't see why they shouldn't.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/577981.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/577981.page GMT Is this legal??? GW are entitled to licence a Japanese version of a codex for free distribution and still withhold English versions for sale only.

Therefore I am going to delete the references to torrent style sites for codexes.

It's reasonable to be able to mention enough of rules and points to make a sensible discussion. Going beyond that gets into the territory of copyright infringement.

Dakka policy is to not allow wholesale copying of copyright info and not to support sites which allow it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/580334.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/230806/580334.page GMT