<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Without number: A question for 'Nid experts"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Without number: A question for 'Nid experts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/582605.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/582605.page GMT Without number: A question for 'Nid experts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/582684.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/582684.page GMT Re:Without number: A question for 'Nid experts
Then when they die or kill the DP, you just sacrifice them again to half-strength and then BAM! Fresh meat.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/582722.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/582722.page GMT Re:Without number: A question for 'Nid experts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/583010.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/583010.page GMT Re:Without number: A question for 'Nid experts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/583054.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/583054.page GMT Without number: A question for 'Nid experts
Centurian99 wrote:It guarantees you'll always have a scoring unit.


I think this is a over simplification of W/oN.

The issue arises from the following ruling in the INAT FAQ

TYR.28B.01 – Q: Can Tyranid units suffering from
instinctive behavior choose to not move without
lurking (so they can hold an objective)?
A: No, they must choose to either take an Instinctive
Behavior test or lurk [clarification].

As a result to ensure that your gaunts are still scoring you also need to have a synapse source near by. So either lacking a synapse creature near by or one at all you now no longer have that scoring unit. So your forced to either take a sub-optimal synapse creature (warriors or zoanathropes) or hold your tyrants in the backfield to help the gaunts score. Either option has draw backs as both lack the range to be effective in your backfield.

I am getting to the point where +3pts per model when I can buy one for 5pts doesn't seem worth it.

Brave Rifles]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/583080.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/583080.page GMT Re:Without number: A question for 'Nid experts
That squad dies or/and ties things up in CC then dies.

Gets to the egde. You roll for LD. If you fail can you go to lurk mode? Either way you fall-back to the nearest synapse unit. If youve got some ranged warriors or a flyant or backfield thrope then you'll get synapse soon enough to cap backfield objectives. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/583121.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/583121.page GMT Without number: A question for 'Nid experts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/583142.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/583142.page GMT Without number: A question for 'Nid experts
BraveRifles wrote:
Centurian99 wrote:It guarantees you'll always have a scoring unit.


I think this is a over simplification of W/oN.

The issue arises from the following ruling in the INAT FAQ

TYR.28B.01 – Q: Can Tyranid units suffering from
instinctive behavior choose to not move without
lurking (so they can hold an objective)?
A: No, they must choose to either take an Instinctive
Behavior test or lurk [clarification].

As a result to ensure that your gaunts are still scoring you also need to have a synapse source near by. So either lacking a synapse creature near by or one at all you now no longer have that scoring unit. So your forced to either take a sub-optimal synapse creature (warriors or zoanathropes) or hold your tyrants in the backfield to help the gaunts score. Either option has draw backs as both lack the range to be effective in your backfield.

I am getting to the point where +3pts per model when I can buy one for 5pts doesn't seem worth it.

Brave Rifles


That's only half of the story. You do not have to test for Instinctive Behavior the turn you come onto the board, i.e. a WoN brood can score on the turn it is recycled.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/583669.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/583669.page GMT Without number: A question for 'Nid experts
I find that if you put WoN on too many units, your model count just gets too low and your opponent can reduced your gaunt screen too quickly leaving your genestealers/TMCs open to being shot without cover saves or being assaulted.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/583872.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/583872.page GMT Without number: A question for 'Nid experts
I dont find that giving too many gaunts WoN puts pressure on my numbers. They only have to screen for a couple of turns till the heavy hitters get there. Then if you have played sensibly recycle with some nearby synapse and use them to claim objectives in your deployment zone or push forward to the middle (if there are objectives to take that is). ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/584055.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/584055.page GMT Without number: A question for 'Nid experts
Oops, I'm not a Nids experts. Disregard that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/584559.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/584559.page GMT Without number: A question for 'Nid experts
Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:It's good for giving me tons of Kill Poi---

Oops, I'm not a Nids experts. Disregard that.

No it aint- may is not must, so the Tyranid player doesn't have to bring the gaunts back on if he doesn't want to.

With the 5th-ed requirement for scoring troops I have found WoN to be mandatory, and perhaps a little broken. I run a 1500pt zilla-lite army with three squads of gaunts to provide a cover save and assault screen- 15, 8 and 8 bods respectively. I can hapily sacrifice these mooks, happy in the knowledge that they will be right back next turn. Any army that needs the charge hates these guys because they will never let you charge my TMCs.

WoN allows you to spend the bare minimum on troops and yet still be guaranteed scoring units. Freakin love it.

Joy filled annecdote- 5 Nob bikers ended up beside my board edge after killing a squad of gaunts and a zoanthrope. Every turn the gaunts would come on and surround the bikers, in his turn the bikers would muller the gaunts- of noes, not my WoN gaunts! This went on for about three turns until a couple of TMCs could get over to finish em off. Good times.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/584777.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/584777.page GMT Without number: A question for 'Nid experts
I typically run two squads of 16 termagaunts, and two squads of eight WoN-spinegaunts. The termagaunts wedge themselves between the enemy and their intended destination and shoot until charged, while the spinegaunts make a run for objectives. Blast-template warrior squads fortify themselves within range of the gaunts, while lashwhip leapers tie down melee threats and attempt to buy time.

Season with melee, carnifexi and your choice of killy HQ, and you've got a recipe for a competitive 5th ed nid list.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/584843.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/584843.page GMT Without number: A question for 'Nid experts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/585643.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/585643.page GMT Without number: A question for 'Nid experts apoc games... Having even a medium sized brood on a big table is wonderful. You give cover saves (like everyone else has said) and since you'll probably have someone guarding an objective in back who's synapse anyway (warriors especially) it works well. They do their job, get shot to pieces, then come back to claim an objective after everyone has moved upfield.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/586131.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/586131.page GMT Without number: A question for 'Nid experts
Sounds like around 8-16.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/586142.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/586142.page GMT Without number: A question for 'Nid experts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/586356.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231274/586356.page GMT