<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification TK Liche Priests don't generate power dice and don't have magic levels. They have very specific special rules which are all handled in the relevant section of the TK army book. BUT, the entry for the priest in the army list section states:

Magic: A Liche Priest is a Wizard. He always uses Nehekharan incantations.

So - miscast roll of a 5-6 for an enemy spellcaster, normally allows you to cast one of your own spells. I've played two different people in which this scenario arose, the first guy said "ok, you cast an incantation now", but the other guy said "nope, I get off the hook as you aren't a wizard". Both interpretations have their reasoning, I guess. On one hand, liche priests don't "cast spells" as it is worded in the miscast rules, but on the other hand they are classified as wizards.

But here's where it gets interesting. Hellcannon misfire roll of a 3 - All wizards immediately suffer a miscast. Maybe you read the above and thought, "yeah I agree that liche priests are wizards, their army list says so and it would make sense that the miscasting wizards 'lapse of concentration' might allow them to get an incantation off". If we've assumed wizard classification of liche priests, they would then miscast due to the hellcannon malfunction, and roll on the miscast table, something they would NEVER otherwise do due to the way incantations work.

Potentially you then get a result like a liche priest dropping a wizard level - something he doesn't have. Or, if he rolls a 12 on his miscast he'd cast an incantation with irresistable force, another normal impossibility.

Weird prospects, what does everyone think? My personal opinion: Liche priests aren't affected by a miscast roll of 5-6 (as they can't cast 'spells'), nor the hellcannon misfire result of 3.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/590119.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/590119.page GMT TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification
Also, there is a Lizardman item which can shunt a miscast onto an enemy Wizard. Would this cause a Liche to Miscast?

Their own spells don't cause them (being essentially bound spells of varying power level) but that is not to say they cannot suffer from one.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/590284.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/590284.page GMT Re:TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/590337.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/590337.page GMT Re:TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification
this is a problem i´ve been thinking about as well. not sure on the answer though]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/592124.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/592124.page GMT Re:TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification Other examples include the hellheart, does it affect priests? 2nd Generation Slann (B4 new rules), did they miscast on a roll of 3 on the hellcannon table?
As a professional, I say that if a miscast is put upon them from lizzies or hellcannons, then yes they suffer damage, do not lose a level, power dice or spells, do not irresistable force, can end remains in play (!) and can end the magic phase (!!)
As a TK player, I say "No miscasts at all, ya cheezy "]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/592627.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/592627.page GMT TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification
So - miscast roll of a 5-6 for an enemy spellcaster, normally allows you to cast one of your own spells. I've played two different people in which this scenario arose, the first guy said "ok, you cast an incantation now", but the other guy said "nope, I get off the hook as you aren't a wizard". Both interpretations have their reasoning, I guess. On one hand, liche priests don't "cast spells" as it is worded in the miscast rules, but on the other hand they are classified as wizards.


As per my understanding of Nehekaran Incancations you would not be able to cast because you dont cast spells but you recite incantations

But here's where it gets interesting. Hellcannon misfire roll of a 3 - All wizards immediately suffer a miscast. Maybe you read the above and thought, "yeah I agree that liche priests are wizards, their army list says so and it would make sense that the miscasting wizards 'lapse of concentration' might allow them to get an incantation off". If we've assumed wizard classification of liche priests, they would then miscast due to the hellcannon malfunction, and roll on the miscast table, something they would NEVER otherwise do due to the way incantations work.


TK just never miscast, ever...........ever]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/605751.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/605751.page GMT TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/611724.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/611724.page GMT TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification GW FAQ/Errata for january and it turns out that you CAN use an incantation for miscast 5-6. It's in the magic phase section of the document.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/613760.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/613760.page GMT TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/613930.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/613930.page GMT TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification
Vaul wrote:Magic: A Liche Priest is a Wizard. He always uses Nehekharan incantations.


Vaul wrote:Hellcannon misfire roll of a 3 - All wizards immediately suffer a miscast.


There really doesn't seem to be any ambiguity here at all. All wizards suffer a miscast, the Liche Priest is a wizard, ergo, the Liche Priest suffers a miscast. It doesn't matter at all that he "normally" wouldn't ever miscast, since the incantations are cast like bound spells. That would be like saying "My scroll caddy is immune to the Hellcannon misfire roll, since even though she's a wizard, she never ever casts spells, so she doesn't ever miscast."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/616623.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/616623.page GMT TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/618075.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/618075.page GMT Re:TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification
regarding the TK bound spell casting. what power level will it be?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/618413.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/231759/618413.page GMT