Beerfiend wrote:Why would I ever assault with my Obliterators when I have 3 monsterous creatures to do that for me? If my opponents are PF heavy the MCs are the ones that will be fighting them. Even if I did fight with my Oblits it'd be 8 wounds in terminator armor with 4 power fists of my own vs whatever I was fighting.. not to mention whatever weapons fired beforehand (8 twin-linked plasma shots) assuming I was the one assaulting. But why would I?

Are you trying to tell me Obliterators are a bad choice in general simply because they can be ID by PFs? I'm pretty sure they'd be more vulnerable to ID and death in general from high AP/Str ranged weapons. Especially considering I wouldn't even have them that close to that many power fists unless absolutely necessary.. PF heavy armies are also generally lacking in something else, including numbers, which is not unlike this 3 MC list ;P

The adding more troops reply has some substance and reasoning behind it, but I'm afraid yours does not mate..

deffskullz wrote:its called my orky charge thing 3 obliterators comin to objectives got ripped apart by a battlewagon with 5 meganobz and warboss =)

Beerfiend wrote:
@Typeline - I'm not saying your wrong by advising me to get more troops, however I do think your dead wrong about a greater daemon not making it onto the table. I wouldn't throw my troops lives away charging an enemy simply to get this guy into combat, if I know they can be easily whiped out. Nor would I allow them to die before he appears even if it means he has to footslog the rest of the way. Chances are, by the time that happens my DPs will have engaged at least some of the threats that could take him out. Furthermore I highly doubt that an opponent will even make an attempt to whipe out both squads rather than focus fire on the DPs and Obliterators. The killpoints for doing so may be plentiful, but you simply cannot ignore 2 full wound DPs staring you in the face. Also T6 4+ invuln is in no way terrible, small arms fire will have a hard time at him and anything else faces the 4+, but once again focusing on him alone would be downright asinine.

I'm also going to have to strongly disagree with you on having 2 MoN DPs rather than 1 of each. They're quite a bit more versatile and can perform different tasks this way. Sure T6 is great, but what does that matter with high AP weapons and PFs? Keeping a daemon in cover is not an easy feat.. and once in combat he'll need that 4+ especially if it's terminators, which my opponents love to use, as well as dreadnaughts, and lots of las. As far as non-PF attacks, the 3+ is more than enough if you ask me. On the other hand warptime I have to say is my favorite ability, however there simply isn't enough room nor is there as much of a need in 1000 pts, wings would most definitely suit a DP better.

I honestly can't see how +1 PM and an easy KP rhino per squad is that much better?

frogii_the_blue_horror wrote:the army sounds horrible. 4 oblits are much worse 3 predator destructors. 2 Dps, no lash?????? no spells?????????? what are guos and pfs
crap at objective 2 troops who are unmanoverable and no point of meltas you just die befor using them. no infantry killing potentialcrap aqainst orks and tyranids, even dark eldar