<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer? Post your thoughts here and I'm interested in knowing about the specific rules of using special characters in games ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/603874.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/603874.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/603876.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/603876.page GMT Re:How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/603908.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/603908.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?
one turn of shooting - 9 shots, 6 hit, 4 wounds, 2 saves

So basically three turns of shooting.

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Of course if he is using a C-Tan in under 1000 pts, his phase out number will be low. You can easily just lash his necrons into groups and either Battlecannon them or charge and run down. Chaos has a huge advantage against necrons.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/603939.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/603939.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?
Other options include Ghazghkull Thraka, Inquisitional force weapons(DH and WH force weapons ignore the eternal warrior rule, thanks to some really outdated rules. Pretty much the only positive DH gets from being so old), lots of big guns, and tying it up in CC against large, expendable units.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/603995.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/603995.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/604093.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/604093.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/604152.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/604152.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?
AdeptSister wrote:Lash will basically keep him out the game the entire battle.

Of course if he is using a C-Tan in under 1000 pts, his phase out number will be low. You can easily just lash his necrons into groups and either Battlecannon them or charge and run down. Chaos has a huge advantage against necrons.


I disagree. He has a str 9 ap 2 assault 1 24" weapon. Assuming you can move into lash range & move him more than 6" w/ 2d6 every turn, (avarge is 7") then yes, he wont be able to advance close enough to the sorc to fire/assault things. This tactic/theory will also require you to have a gunline in-line this point (otherwise this C'tan could charge things within 12")

Like Uriels_flame said, ignore this guy & annhilate the 'necron' models.

Also.. shooting 9 oblits at 1 c'tan is actually quite an advantageous situation for the necron player, even more so if it requires the use of the choas sorc aswell, as that player is now implementing roughly 800pts worth against 360pts over three turns.

So in regards to the OP.. ignore said special unit for the entire game or if that isnt practicle.. tie it up with as few points as posssible for aslong as possible. If its a crazy force-multipler (and killing it will remove that ability) kill it as quick as, otherwise refer to the first two points. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/604159.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/604159.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/604161.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/604161.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/606228.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/606228.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?
But, in my newest Loota heavy ork list, I just shoot him to death turn one (maybe 2 if the dice are against me)and watch my opponent cry ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/606501.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/606501.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?

Use your lash to group the necron warriors together, and use blast weapons to make him phase out, or lash him closer and assault. The C'tan are slow, you can avoid 'em for even a few turns, and you should have gotten the warriors to a low enough number to make him phase out. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/606523.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/606523.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?
Shooting from afar is the best bet. Snipers have indeed proven effective in this regard.

As stated, do not waste too much attention on him, avoid if possible and focus on the "necron" units for phase out. Never forget your mission objectives. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/606556.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/606556.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?
utan wrote:The Nightbringer is not as slow as he used to be, since now he can "run" like everybody else.


Yes, but if he's running, he's neither shooting NOR assaulting, so is actually easier to ignore(especially if your army is even the slightest bit mobile).

Just lay into whatever models he has that are "Necrons" and force a Phase Out.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/606577.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/606577.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/606710.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/606710.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/606733.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/606733.page GMT Re:How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?
But on to the broader question: How to best drop a high toughness model (Wraithlords come to mind).

A lot depends on the army you play, but I might make a plug for the humble Autocannon (along with at least one prior poster). Cheap, plenty of shots, often mounted in twin-linked fashion. Useful against anything but the AV 14'ers (but really only effective against models with a toughness characteristic and AV 12 or less). Squeezing in a few of these can really be great for backing up a high toughness-counter army. If you're Tau, missile pods work the same (and are easy to get lots of).

Cheers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/607413.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/607413.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer? Shoot the warriors instead of wasting your shooting on big, tough things.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/608285.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/608285.page GMT Re:How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?
Uriels_Flame wrote:Ignore him and kill the "necrons". Force the phase out and you don't have to worry about it.


That's easy to say until the Necron player forces you to deal with a Nightrbinger or Monolith. Its all too easy to keep your Necron models out of harms way. Even a semi-experienced player will either hide them far far away while positioning other, more durable units, in your way or just keep them in reserve and have them wander on somewhere far away from the battle. Even in a objective mission he just needs to get a Wraith,Scarab, Destroyer or H. Destroyer, a Teleporting Lord or a Deepstriking Mono within 3' of your objective preventing you from claiming it.

Take a Tri-Lith build for example, if he positioning his Liths in a triangular shaped shield he can 100% protect his models from everything except indirect fire. He can shuffle the Liths as needed or tele them to the other side to avoid a horde.

Or take a list using 1 Mono and a CTan, he can simply place the Ctan behind the Lith and now you can't shoot him all the while he advances across the board.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/609293.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/609293.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/609557.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/609557.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?
enmitee wrote:Skulltaker can lop his head off.



QFT]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/609614.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/609614.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/609639.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/609639.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer? str 9 on the charge hurts everything xD]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/609686.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/609686.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer? make a small unit as a speed bump to throw at him if he gets too close, but just focus all shots on the warriors.
9 oblits should make short work of them.


Edit:


If I absolutly have to deal with him... Power Klaw to the face! str 9 on the charge hurts everything xD



erm, great, im sure you may average a wound per turn with a S9 klaw
thats if the nob / boss doesent get killed 1st.
about the best klaw in an ork army would be ghaz, use the waaagh! move for that fixed 2+ save and he should last out and possibly even win lol.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/609699.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/609699.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/609728.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/609728.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?
can he still die from instant death? (via skulltakers special rules?)


Edit: stop changing your mind! XD]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/609732.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/609732.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?

Copy pasted from post above with corrections.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/609739.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/609739.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?
means skulltaker stands a good chance against him, other than that, run away very quickly and ignore him ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/609744.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/609744.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?
JD21290 wrote:sweet
means skulltaker stands a good chance against him, other than that, run away very quickly and ignore him


He would still get his save of 4+, but you do pose a intresting query.

Skulltaker has INT 5 and Str 4-5, with a WS of 7. Normally this would mean (on the charge) he gets 5-6 which hit on 3, and then he would need a 4+ to rend, which would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 2-3 wounds. The Nightbringer has INT 4 so all this would take place before he got to go. If the Nightbringer makes his saves then Skulltaker goes SPLAT as the Nightbringer fights back.

If the Nightbringer charges him then it increases his chance to survive.

But if the Skulltaker were to fight the Deciver then its a whole different story. Since the deceiver refuses to be charged this would mean he will always get the charge giving him 6 attacks on the charge needing 4 to hit and 2's to wound. Skulltaker goes at the same time and will fight back giving the same chances as survival of the Nightbringer, except if Skulltaker was to fight the Deceiver he will always end up dying unless the Necronplayer just whiffs, whereas he stands a decent chance of surviving if Fighting a Nightbringer who fails 1 save.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/610733.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/610733.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer? Nightbringer can also choose to blow the melee target out of combat , leaving the whole necron army glaring angrily at you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/610742.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/610742.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?
Skulltaker has INT 5 and Str 4-5, with a WS of 7. Normally this would mean (on the charge) he gets 5-6 which hit on 3, and then he would need a 4+ to rend, which would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 2-3 wounds. The Nightbringer has INT 4 so all this would take place before he got to go. If the Nightbringer makes his saves then Skulltaker goes SPLAT as the Nightbringer fights back.




erm, so you say.
skulltakers attacks are rending on a 4+, all rending wounds cause instant death to any non vehicle.
from what ive been told nightbringer isnt immune to instant death, so on the charge skulltaker could kill him pretty easily.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/610751.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/610751.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/610762.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/610762.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/610795.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/610795.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?
JD21290 wrote:
Skulltaker has INT 5 and Str 4-5, with a WS of 7. Normally this would mean (on the charge) he gets 5-6 which hit on 3, and then he would need a 4+ to rend, which would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 2-3 wounds. The Nightbringer has INT 4 so all this would take place before he got to go. If the Nightbringer makes his saves then Skulltaker goes SPLAT as the Nightbringer fights back.




erm, so you say.
skulltakers attacks are rending on a 4+, all rending wounds cause instant death to any non vehicle.
from what ive been told nightbringer isnt immune to instant death, so on the charge skulltaker could kill him pretty easily.


Him and anyone else still gets a INvul save vs the rend hit, which the Nightbringer has a 4+]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/610996.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/610996.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?
LunaHound wrote:
Nightbringer can also choose to blow the melee target out of combat , leaving the whole necron army glaring angrily at you.


Not if the target has STR 4+]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/610997.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/610997.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?
to your mathhammer the nightbringer will take 2-3 wounds in which he will fail an average of 1 or 2. Which means, we have a headless nightbringer before he attacks.

@Lunahound
I was expecting the girl to just fall to the ground after that endless spinning.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/611050.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/611050.page GMT Re:How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/611602.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/611602.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?
The way you propose to deal with the nightbringer is to:
1) run the unreliable deepstriking chaos demons army just in case you run into someone fielding him
2) bring along skulltaker
3) hope that deployment will bring these two ICs into close proximity
4) rely on a roughly even chance of either being destroyed in CC

Pardon me if I giggle...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/611698.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/611698.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/612005.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/612005.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/612164.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/612164.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?
Budda 09 wrote:interesting, seems the c'tan aren't as invincible as they seem


The Nightbringer is a unique character. He can be easily beaten by strange ways (snipers, looters, skulltakers) but theres a low chance you will run into these units. In term of a normal game, there is a low chance you will meet any unit capable of harming the Nightbringer. There are "loophole" units that can wreck him, but compared to most armys, he is one of THE most powerful characters.

So yes, he isnt unbeatable, but needs specialised situations to die.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/612226.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/612226.page GMT How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?
Worst death was when an horrible Space Marine player wounded it with a single Attack Bike's Heavy Bolter. Of course I failed the save. Next turn it tied to the same Attack Bike.

Best death was when a Tyranid player had a huge squad of Gaunts jacked up with strength, spit attack, and many other upgrades. He eventually killed him with spits, but then when the Nightbringer exploded I rolled well and killed all the remaining Gaunts. The guy just looked at me and said that those Gaunts cost more than the Nightbringer. Ha!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/612243.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/612243.page GMT Re:How do you deal with special characters like the Nightbringer?
1) Sternguard + Hellfire
2) Librarian + Nullzone plus decent volume of fire
3) Snipers
4) Random AT weapons

Honestly though I'd just avoid him, unless there was a pressing reason to take him out and it wouldn't affect your plans (i.e., you wanted to move Sternguard in that general direction and Nightbringer was in the way, or you had a decent number of snipers sitting on an objective within range). I don't see any reason why a 10 man Sternguard squad would not be able to rapid-fire hellfire rounds, put ~11 wounds on him. That should be enough to kill him in one round.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/612417.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232628/612417.page GMT