<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits CC.
Doomseer on Jetbike - 110
6 Howling Banshees, Exarch w/ executioner - 118
6 Striking Scorpions, Exarch w/ Shadowstrike, scorpions claw - 143
6 Jetbikes, 2 Shurikencannons - 152
6 Jetbikes, 2 Shurikencannons - 152
Vyper w/ EML & Shurikencannon - 60
Night-spinner w/ Holo-fields - 170
Fire prism w/ Holo-fields - 150
Falcon w/ Scatter Laser, Holo-fields - 165
Total: 1200
Tactics:
The falcon Speeds forward, hopefully stopping in front of an enemy unit. The Prism and Jetbikes move up, accompanied by the Farseer, Night-Spinner & Vyper, whilst the scorps infiltrate. The entire army except The falcon open fire, Hopefully gunning down a unit of Stealthsuits, and killing 10+ Kroot (this will be the night-spinners job). Next turn Banshees disembark and assault, and Scorps assault what left of the kroot, or whatevers in range. Jetbikes continue to J-S-J, supported by the Prism and vyper and Night-spinner. Entire army opens fire again, hopefully knocking out more units. On the 5th turn jetbike zoom towards objectives, Hopefully capturing more than the opponent.
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Sorry your description doesn't give much.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/604989.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/604989.page GMT 1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits FW's with markerlights, 2 unit of 5 Stealthsuits, 2 battlesuit Inc. commander, a Single railhead, and 20 kroot to fill out the points. If he has spare points then more Kroot.
whilst I'm doing that, he's bounching off my armour/being tied up in CC/trying to get rid of my CC units.
VH]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/605001.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/605001.page GMT 1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/605135.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/605135.page GMT 1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits AP units to deal with them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/605482.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/605482.page GMT 1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/605579.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/605579.page GMT Re:1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits
Swap the 6 banshess for 6 firedragons. Banshees just dont have the punch in squads of 6, even with doom. Perhaps giving the farseer guide instead of doom & taking off the bike?

The vyper wants to live. To live it needs to stay at range, to avoid enemy light-arms fire. A shuriken cannon is too short ranged to be of use here. 10pts wasted.

The falcon wants an EML, not a scatter laser. If it moves at 6" it can fire everything (at str 8) but it can also move 12" and fire the pulse laser & a str 4 ap 4 blast.. when you look at the shots, its quite a nice amount of anti-troop shooting. Even better if the tank is guided from the inside.

All those changes wont cost you any more points & may infact save you on some points.

If you fall down anywhere, itll be with your troops. Those bikes will die oh so quickly vs tau firepower. Get pathfinder rangers, a 5man sqaud. That 2+ cover save can eat up sooo many shots. Just watch out for the airburst frag launcher. You can fit a sqaud in if you remove the vyper, remove the bike as I suggested & one jetbiker, yes you loose out on a model & a shuriken cannon but you get a very useful 5more troops.

Use the infiltrating pathfinders to support the scorpains infiltrating/outflanking charge. A mini tag-team while the rest of the army scoots around at speed. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/605898.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/605898.page GMT 1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits These asre the models I have:
Autarch on Jetbike
Farseer on Jetbike
6 Striking Scorpions
30 Howling Banshees
6 Swooping Hawks
6 Warp Spiders
21 Eldar Jetbikes
Jain Zar
Autarch
Farseer
2 Falcons
1 Falcon/Night-spinner
1 Fire Prism
3 Firestorms
I think thats everything. As you can see I'm uber-mobile, so Rangers don't fit, and I hate the idea of outcasts so I'd prefer not to have any.
VH]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/606382.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/606382.page GMT Re:1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits
Jain Zar could improve your odds by making the banshees fearless while being excellent in CC herself but thats expensive.

Heres what I suggest;

Autarch
+Jetbike
+mandi-blasters
+ laser lance = 130

Yriel = 155

6x Guardain jetbikes
+warlock
+singing spear (when you aim at a tank)
+destructor
+2xshuriken cannon = 204

6x Guardain jetbikes
+2x shuriken cannon = 146

6x Guardain jetbikes
+2xshuriken cannon = 146

5x striking scorpains
+exarch
+Shadowstrike & stalker
+biting blade (anti-walker/vehicle - a bargin for 5pts)
+scorps claw (everything else) = 137

5x howling banshees
+exarch
+executioner
+acrobatic & warshout = 112

Falcon
+EML
+holofields = 170

(Slightly lacking anti-tank but still strong)

= 1200

Yriel goes with banshees to give much needed wallop to the squad, whom all sit in the fast moving falcon. Jetbike autarch goes with the warlock led guardains, for a strong fast hitting ranged/CC unit. Scorpains can infiltrate/outflank with 2+ to reserve rolls. Swap yriel for a farseer if you really want farseer powers/not fussed about 3+ to come on from reserves on turn two.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/606507.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/606507.page GMT 1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits Yriel is iyanden, and I have a saim-hann army. Also, when his lacking aspect is anti-tank, you have only included one Skimmer. Against Stealthsuits, the Banshees get 3 Attacks each, for a total of 10 Hits, excluding the exarch. They then score 5 Kills, and I think the Exarch is more than enough to nuke 1 Stealthsuit. While they will lose models, they have already earned their points back, so any extra kills are a bonus.
VH]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/606595.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/606595.page GMT 1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits Fire Warriors will target the Jetbikes when they hide behind area terrain.
I'd take a mech Eldar army since all those strength-5 Tau weapons are suddenly useless.
Use the tanks to remove the biggest threats (HS) and then close in for the kill. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/606609.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/606609.page GMT Re:1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits I really like your original list. Its a strong list versus a very weak 1200 Tau list. His stealths become fairly vulnerable once your inside of 24" (roughly 50% chance to see them at 21"). and they carry 18" ranged weapons. I'd set up to have the jetbikes duel stealths at first. Just try to dance(JSJ) them outside of the firewarrior range until second or third turn. Have the Falcs concentrate on the crisis team and commander. Move the Vyper and Prism for side shots on the Railhead first turn. The only thing I might change is a second squad of Scorps but you don't have them so, Good list.

I'd actually, if the opportunity arose, set up second at just over 32" away and long gun untill his 2 strong units are nuetralized. Going second allows you set the Scorps in response to his infiltration squads. I might (?) even hold the jetbikes in reserve to counter his infiltrating stealths. Deploy the banshee/ falc where they are out of sight until you get them loaded into the falc.

Honestly his only strengths are the crisis team and the railhead. Once they're nuetralized its a mop-up exercise.

As a Tau player with this list I'd probably have the stealths gunning for your Tanks first turn, if hey've got fusion blasters, then the jetbikes. Jetbikes might be first IF they were deployed in a vulnerable manner. If you screen your prism with a falc & vyper and set your scorps to scare one of the stealth squads(I sometimes infiltrate into my own lines creating a barrier between an opponents infiltrators and thier intended target) you should reduce the infiltration threat and nullify his battle plan.

Please remember that these are only my ideas that I hope will help but, when all is ready, play your own game. Good Luck

Edited for Off-topic statement ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/606616.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/606616.page GMT 1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits
Another option is to simply outrange him. Eldar have plenty of shooty units with 36 or 48 inch range. They can just light up the crisis suits and then have their way with the firewarriors and kroot.

With your models, I'd just run something like:

Falcon, brightlance, holofields
Falcon, brightlance, holofields
Fire Prism, holofields (I wish you had two)
3x 6 guardians jetbikes with shuriken cannons
guideseer on bike
6 of whatever you want in a falcon

I'd want to put 6 dire avengers in one of the falcons for scoring purposes but you can put anything you want in there. I don't really think you need to assault his army, just out shoot/out maneuver/out range it. You can make the bulk of his army useless at range and pick it apart. It is not very mobile, and only has one real threat to your three tanks, which they should be able to kill. The brightlances will still be useful after the hammerhead is dead to kill crisis suits. If you had one more fire prism to replace a falcon you'd be set but as it is you'd be more than fine. You don't need to run up and get in his face...make his firewarriors and kroot useless.

if the stealth suits try to close the gap and threaten the guardians, then you can run up a falcon full of stuff to charge them. And you charge them wih the jetbikes to tie them up. 5 stealth suits lose to 6 guardian jetbikes in combat anyway if the jetbikes charge.







]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/606672.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/606672.page GMT 1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits
Also, three tanks allows you to chase his static units off the board - Tau leadership sucks, you can tank shock those firewarriors and kroot with three tanks and watch them break. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/606686.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/606686.page GMT 1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits Biting Blade on the Scorps Exarch
3 Extra Striking Scorpions
Warshout on the Banshee Exarch
Thanks for your positive CC, as he's a very good player and has slaughtered me every time I've played him so far. This means any and all tactical advice is apprieciated.
VH]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/606688.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/606688.page GMT 1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits HQ
Doomseer on Jetbike - 110
Elite
6 Howling Banshees, Exarch w/ Executioner - 118
6 Striking Scorpions, Exarch w/ Shadowstrike, Scorpions Claw, Biting Blade - 148
6 Jetbikes, 2 Shurikencannons - 152
6 Jetbikes, 2 Shurikencannons - 152
Night-spinner w/ Holo-fields - 170
Fire prism w/ Holo-fields, Star Engines, Spirit Stones - 175
Falcon w/ Eldar Missile Launcher, Holo-fields, Spirit Stones, Star Engines - 195
Total: 1200
What do you think? I didn't know what to do with the extra points so I added some vehicle upgrades, but that 50 points (after buying BB and swapping to EML) could buy anything?!?
Maybe a Vyper instead, or fortune & Spirit Stones on the farseer?
VH]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/612818.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/612818.page GMT 1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits DA squads in Serpents, Farseer with doom.
Then I'd add two or three naked Prisms and some outflanking Scorpions. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/612903.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/612903.page GMT 1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/612906.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/612906.page GMT 1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits
Farseer w/ doom - 80

10 Dire Avengers - 245
Serpent w/ stones, scatterlaser

10 Dire Avengers - 245
Serpent w/ stones, scatterlaser

Fire Prism - 115

Fire Prism - 115

Fire Prism - 115

Total: 915 pts.

I'd add Scorpions incl Exarch plus Serpent w/ stones, shuricannon.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/612929.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/612929.page GMT 1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits
If you had a wave serp w/lances I'd suggest dropping the falc for one and using the extra points to top off your banshees.

As it is this is a fairly good list. The only changes I'd be tempted to make would be to drop the Scorps in favor of another squad of jebikes just because they don't seem to fit the flavor of the build. Couple that with not using the star engines and you've got enough points for the extra squad plus giving the farseer some extra stuff.

Dont under estimate jetseer guided nine strong jetbike squads. Last night one such squad took out a drop pod, a 10man SM squad, a rhino, and a landspeeder typhoon.
I was playing the winner of the last local tourny.

Game would have been a massacre if my prisms had killed anything in the first 3 turns. As it was the game ended a draw on 5th turn just as the bike were about to jump to challenge one of the objectives and the prism was going to tank shock a vanilla Sm squad on the other objective(We were going second).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/612944.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/612944.page GMT 1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits
The only changes I'd be tempted to make would be to drop the Scorps in favor of another squad of jebikes

A large Guardian Jetbike unit as suggested has a large footprint and will be a juicy target for IG, while Scorpions can outflank and came from reserve. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/612945.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/612945.page GMT 1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits

Also, I like the jetbikes. They suit a certain personality that doesn't necessarily want to run the same ol dire avenger w/wave serp, and prism spam list.

The only thing he is really missing aside from wave serps is jetlocks. They do a number when assaulting vehicles.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/612950.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/612950.page GMT 1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/612990.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/612990.page GMT 1200 Eldar needs to win Vs. Tau w/ stealthsuits
My apologies to the OP for giving a half tactic that would be likely to backfire.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/613014.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232714/613014.page GMT