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Daemon Prince, Wings, Lash, MoS

Daemon Prince, Wings, Lash, MoS

5 Chosen, 5x meltas
Rhino w combi-melta

10 Chosen, 5x flamers, IoCU
Rhino w combi-melta

10 Chosen, 5x flamers, IoCU
Rhino w combi-melta

10 CSM, 2 plasma, IoCU
Rhino w combi-melta

10 CSM, 2 plasma, IoCU
Rhino w combi-melta

10 CSM, 2 plasma, IoCU
Rhino w combi-melta

5 CSM, 1 plasma
Rhino w combi-melta

5 CSM, 1 plasma
Rhino w combi-melta

5 CSM, 1 plasma
Rhino w combi-melta

Vindicator
Vindicator
Vindicator

2500 points

Just recently got back into the game after 2 year hiatus. I appreciate any and all criticisms! How do you think this army would do in competitive play? How could I make it better? I have 20k+ points of chaos so I can pretty much make any changes suggested, this is just the black legion force I started with. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/605646.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/605646.page GMT 2500 Ard Boyz Chaos Army, looking for critiques http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/605713.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/605713.page GMT 2500 Ard Boyz Chaos Army, looking for critiques
Also, wouldn't cult marines be actually a lot better than the regular CSM? I know I use Berzerkers and Plague Marines at least. (Since I don't have Noise Marines or Thousand Sons.)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/605745.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/605745.page GMT Re:2500 Ard Boyz Chaos Army, looking for critiques ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/605856.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/605856.page GMT Re:2500 Ard Boyz Chaos Army, looking for critiques PM and zerkers work well together. PM can guard objectives, etc. and the Berzerkers provide some hard hitting CC power. Even if you decide not to take PM, you still need the zerks. Your only CC stuff is the DPs, and you might want to keep them out anyway so you can continue to lash. Your CSM may have more attacks than a normal SM in CC, but they don't have any power weapons or fists, etc, so they will get crushed against anything half-way decent in hth.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/606140.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/606140.page GMT 2500 Ard Boyz Chaos Army, looking for critiques
2 X DP mos/los

5 Chosen, personal icon, 5 meltas, rhino w/cm
5 Chosen, personal icon, 5 meltas, rhino w/cm

7 'Zerkers, personal icon, skull champ w/pw, rhino
7 'Zerkers, personal icon, skull champ w/pw, rhino
7 'Zerkers, personal icon, skull champ w/pw, rhino
7 Plague marines, personal icon, aspiring champ w/pf, 2 X plasma, rhino
7 Plague marines, personal icon, aspiring champ w/pf, 2 X plasma, rhino

3 oblits
3 oblits
3 oblits
Hold 1 or 2 squads of oblits back to deep strike on the icons for armor/troop killing joy. Sit the marines back on objectives and drop plasma shots in there. Use the non-tank hunting oblits to pie plate the lashed troops before the berserkers charge them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/606163.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/606163.page GMT 2500 Ard Boyz Chaos Army, looking for critiques CSM swarm. Run one, maybe two squads of Plaguers or Zerkers but leave your points open. Then you can throw in a squad or two of Obliterators and fill the rest of your heavy slots with units of Havocs with 4x Flamers and a champ w/PW and Combi-flamer. Don't upgrade the rhinoes at all, they're meant to take a few shots and move 12" once or twice, and that's about it. That's my spin. I hate using all Cult troops because of cost and the huge swarm of 3+ armor is more than a lot of armies can take. Plus they have to waste a targeting on the rhino and waste the rest of whatever unit's fire. Everyone will tell you x9 or x6 Oblitz, but they're not necessary, just really good. My list is as follows:

Daemon Prince - 175
MoT, Warptime

Sorc - 145
MoS, Lash, Termi Armor

Termis x4 - 150
3x Combi-Meltas, Chainfist
LR (Dedicated) - 240
Daemonic Possession

3x CSM X9 - 250
IoCG, 2x Melta, Champ w/Combi-melta and Fist, Rhino

Zerkers x10 - 285
Champ w/Fist, Rhino

2x Havocs x10 - 265
IoS, 4x Flamers, Champ w/Power Weapon, Rhino

Oblitz x3 - 225

Edit: Unless you have a REALLY good reason, always go for a P-Fist over a P-Weapon because they're just better. Plasma will never be as useful as a Melta except in a standing unit (Plasma doesn't always fit the situation, Melta always does), plus Melta is cheaper.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/606762.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/606762.page GMT 2500 Ard Boyz Chaos Army, looking for critiques
I also second his points on melta vs plasma, no upgrades on rhinos and always take fists.

You could do to swap one of the vindis for 2 oblits for variety and because they are pretty good.

On your first chosen squad with 5 meltas : that might be overdoing it a little. two or three will proboly get the job done, and will save 20-30 points as well as give you two types of models for wound grouping, which in some situations can save the meltas.

Dropping the combi meltas and switching the plasmas to meltas would net you around 100+ points to begin adding fists, as would dropping two or three of the meltas from the chosen squad.

I personally like to get my DPs into fights so I usually bring a MoT winged warptime prince or a MoN winged warptime prince instead of a second lash prince. But that depends on how much of your strategy is based on lashing and bashing your opponent. I usually dont run anything shooty in my choas (except melta guns) so its not as necessary for my playstyle.

Meph

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Inigo Montoya wrote:At 2500, you could build a much more solid list.

2 X DP mos/los

5 Chosen, personal icon, 5 meltas, rhino w/cm
5 Chosen, personal icon, 5 meltas, rhino w/cm

7 'Zerkers, personal icon, skull champ w/pw, rhino
7 'Zerkers, personal icon, skull champ w/pw, rhino
7 'Zerkers, personal icon, skull champ w/pw, rhino
7 Plague marines, personal icon, aspiring champ w/pf, 2 X plasma, rhino
7 Plague marines, personal icon, aspiring champ w/pf, 2 X plasma, rhino

3 oblits
3 oblits
3 oblits
Hold 1 or 2 squads of oblits back to deep strike on the icons for armor/troop killing joy. Sit the marines back on objectives and drop plasma shots in there. Use the non-tank hunting oblits to pie plate the lashed troops before the berserkers charge them.


I like this a LOT LOT LOT, this is fantastic except, correct me if i'm wrong, you can't have lash princes with berserks cause of the whole slaanesh khorne thing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/607051.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/607051.page GMT 2500 Ard Boyz Chaos Army, looking for critiques http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/607747.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/607747.page GMT Re:2500 Ard Boyz Chaos Army, looking for critiques http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/607813.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/607813.page GMT 2500 Ard Boyz Chaos Army, looking for critiques lol-ocaust nonsense.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/608081.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/608081.page GMT 2500 Ard Boyz Chaos Army, looking for critiques
Spellbound wrote:What are you talking about? Chaos is all buddy-buddy now. I can have Lucius lead a squad of Khorne berserkers in a rhino, or Kharne sit joined to a squad of noisemarines for close combat support! No problem!


Thank you for clarifying i get the 3rd and 4th edition codexes or (codices) mixed up all the time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/608692.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/608692.page GMT 2500 Ard Boyz Chaos Army, looking for critiques
Warboss Spleenstaba wrote:
Spellbound wrote:What are you talking about? Chaos is all buddy-buddy now. I can have Lucius lead a squad of Khorne berserkers in a rhino, or Kharne sit joined to a squad of noisemarines for close combat support! No problem!


Thank you for clarifying i get the 3rd and 4th edition codexes or (codices) mixed up all the time.


Of course, it's a no-no fluffwise.

And that recommended list up there with the 9 oblits, etc, is boring and waaaay overdone.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/608765.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/608765.page GMT 2500 Ard Boyz Chaos Army, looking for critiques
fatal_GRACE wrote:
Warboss Spleenstaba wrote:
Spellbound wrote:What are you talking about? Chaos is all buddy-buddy now. I can have Lucius lead a squad of Khorne berserkers in a rhino, or Kharne sit joined to a squad of noisemarines for close combat support! No problem!


Thank you for clarifying i get the 3rd and 4th edition codexes or (codices) mixed up all the time.


Of course, it's a no-no fluffwise.

And that recommended list up there with the 9 oblits, etc, is boring and waaaay overdone.

I concur. I find the idea of fielding 9 oblits horrifying. And slightly tempting from the view of a chaos player. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/608830.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/608830.page GMT Re:2500 Ard Boyz Chaos Army, looking for critiques http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/609003.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/609003.page GMT Re:2500 Ard Boyz Chaos Army, looking for critiques http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/609350.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/609350.page GMT 2500 Ard Boyz Chaos Army, looking for critiques http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/610086.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/610086.page GMT 2500 Ard Boyz Chaos Army, looking for critiques
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Lascannons kill Oblitz. They get a 5+ invuln, who cares? I don't get why people think Oblitz are that cheesy. It's called Instant Death. "They could get a cover save though!" Then you probably get one too. Win-win.


Still better than every other heavy choice in the codex (unless you go LR-spam, but thats a whole other kettle of fish).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/610178.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/610178.page GMT 2500 Ard Boyz Chaos Army, looking for critiques http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/610267.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/232756/610267.page GMT Re:2500 Ard Boyz Chaos Army, looking for critiques
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