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You scout (turbo or not) and the beginning of the game, before first turn.
Regardless of that, your reserves don't even start coming into play until turn 2.

So:
Can you Turbo with your scout move?
Yes.

Can you use your scout bikes to bring in Termies?
Yes.

Can you Turbo your scout move, then use them to bring in Termies from reserves the following turn?
No.

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You can scout bike turboboost on the first turn and then use the locator beacons to place your drop-pod assaulters down.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/616086.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/616086.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
MagickalMemories wrote:Scout moves will not affect deep strikers.

You scout (turbo or not) and the beginning of the game, before first turn.
Regardless of that, your reserves don't even start coming into play until turn 2.


Unless you have a Deathwing Army, in which case half your Terminators come in on turn one.

Doesn't Drop Pod Assault do something similiar? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/616128.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/616128.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
Scout Bikes are indeed, that freaking awesome]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/616240.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/616240.page GMT Re:Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
Scout biker squads sergeants and drop pods can buy a Locator Beacon as an upgrade. This makes all deep striking units placed within 6" of the model immune to scatter. Every deepstriking unit on your side benefits from it: Jump Infantry, terminators, droppods, land speeders, friendly IG with the "Drop Troops"-doctrine or even friendly tyranid lictors, if you happen to play a really strange alliance ;-)

Scout and tactical squad sergeants can buy a Teleport Homer as an upgrade. This makes all _teleporting_ units placed within 6" immune to scatter. That means anyone in terminator armour and possibly grey knight squads taken as fast attack choices. Telion does not have a teleport homer.

To use a teleport homer or locator beacon they must be on the table when your turn starts. So if you are playing the Dawn of War deployment method you can not use your scout bikers Locator Beacon the first turn, since only one HQ and two troops are allowed on the table at the start of the turn.

So, this is when they are used:

After deployment of regular troops and infiltrators, before turn 1: Scouts move

Start of turn 1 movement phase: If you do a Deathwing Assault, or have droppods in your army, half of them will arrive now. After all your deepstriking units have appeared, you may do the rest of the movement phase.

Start of turn 2 movement phase: Roll for reserves and deploy them using the deep strike rules if applicable. Now you can use any teleport homers or locator beacons that has been on the table since deployment or turn one. After all reserves have done their movement/placement, you do the rest of the movement phase.

And then just go on like on turn 2.

In 2/3 deployment methods, the bikers will indeed be very awesome for coordinating droppod attacks. If you have them on the table at deployment they can be up to 48" away from their infiltrated deployment point when your first wave of reserves are rolled for. I really have to remodel my unused spacemarine bikers to scout bikers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/616781.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/616781.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
The Green Git wrote:
MagickalMemories wrote:Scout moves will not affect deep strikers.

You scout (turbo or not) and the beginning of the game, before first turn.
Regardless of that, your reserves don't even start coming into play until turn 2.


Unless you have a Deathwing Army, in which case half your Terminators come in on turn one.

Doesn't Drop Pod Assault do something similiar?


But, then, we're not talking about scout bikers with Locator Beacons. Are we?

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In Codex Space Marines:
Scout bikes may be included with locater beacons; this allows them to turbo boost before the game begins and have the benefit of the beacon for any units that deepstrike 1st turn (such as drop pods). However Yes assault squads and terminators may use the locater beacon they may not deepstrike on the 1st turn.

In Codex Dark Angles:
A Ravenwing attack squad has teleport homers. And the Scouts USR. However they are limited by a codex special rule that prevents them from turbo boosting (however this is the same rule that provides non-vehicle members of the RAS to be scoring even if taken as a FA choice. Gotta take the good with the bad) So these may be used my any death wing members on the beginning of the 1st turn.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/617104.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/617104.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter?? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/617409.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/617409.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter?? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/617849.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/617849.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
Red_Lives wrote:In Codex Dark Angels:
A Ravenwing attack squad has teleport homers. And the Scouts USR. However they are limited by a codex special rule that prevents them from turbo boosting (however this is the same rule that provides non-vehicle members of the RAS to be scoring even if taken as a FA choice. Gotta take the good with the bad) So these may be used my any death wing members on the beginning of the 1st turn.


What you said.

So Jervis' attempt to make the codexes simpler crashes in flames. DA Bikes can scout but can't turbo boost, DA storm shields and different than regular SM storm shields, drop pods work different for the two armies and their Land Raiders have different effects for Smoke Launchers, Machine Spirit and even passenger capacity. Good going there J. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/617939.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/617939.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
The Green Git wrote:
Red_Lives wrote:In Codex Dark Angels:
A Ravenwing attack squad has teleport homers. And the Scouts USR. However they are limited by a codex special rule that prevents them from turbo boosting (however this is the same rule that provides non-vehicle members of the RAS to be scoring even if taken as a FA choice. Gotta take the good with the bad) So these may be used my any death wing members on the beginning of the 1st turn.


What you said.

So Jervis' attempt to make the codexes simpler crashes in flames. DA Bikes can scout but can't turbo boost, DA storm shields and different than regular SM storm shields, drop pods work different for the two armies and their Land Raiders have different effects for Smoke Launchers, Machine Spirit and even passenger capacity. Good going there J.


Okay, wait a minute.

You can't hang that on Jervis.
Making the armies different is in NO way related to making the codexes simpler.
Just because you have to remember that your army does something different than another army does NOT make the codex any more difficult to understand.

Playing DA & SM is no different than playing IG & Nids. You just have to remember that they are different armies with different rules. If you get the rules confused, you have only yourself to blame.

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MagickalMemories wrote:
You can't hang that on Jervis.
Making the armies different is in NO way related to making the codexes simpler.


Of course I can hang this on Jervis. He's a game designer and strategic manager for GW.

Having a bunch of like named rules and wargear doing different things in different armies is one thing that was supposed to be addressed in 5th Edition with USR and such. Now the same stupid things are cropping up again, all in the name of power creep and new model sales. Is that a Terminator Squad, or a Deathwing Terminator squad? Is that Land Raider a Grey Knights Land Raider, a Dark Angels Land Raider, or a Codex SM Land Raider?

Maybe I worded it poorly... it was the attempt to make the GAME simpler and more consistent that came crashing down in flames.
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The Green Git wrote:Of course I can hang this on Jervis. He's a game designer and strategic manager for GW.


Yes, blame him for everything you dislike! With some effort you can try to make him the new Gav Thorpe for hate mongering... then you might as well hold Yakface personally responsible for everything strange in GW's FAQs. That would make about as much sense.

They tried to go back to instant updates and making everything the same between codexes in 4th edition and it didn't work, its unsurprising they've given up on a flawed method feel free to belive otherwise, I believe being wrong is a custom in trolle country.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/618626.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/618626.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
The Green Git wrote:
MagickalMemories wrote:
You can't hang that on Jervis.
Making the armies different is in NO way related to making the codexes simpler.


Of course I can hang this on Jervis. He's a game designer and strategic manager for GW.

Having a bunch of like named rules and wargear doing different things in different armies is one thing that was supposed to be addressed in 5th Edition with USR and such. Now the same stupid things are cropping up again, all in the name of power creep and new model sales. Is that a Terminator Squad, or a Deathwing Terminator squad? Is that Land Raider a Grey Knights Land Raider, a Dark Angels Land Raider, or a Codex SM Land Raider?

Maybe I worded it poorly... it was the attempt to make the GAME simpler and more consistent that came crashing down in flames.


Okay. Fine.
Keep in mind, though, that the codexes you're comparing are from two different editions. That DA codex was firmly in 4e when it came out. The new SM codex is the newest breed. Now, if a DA codex for 5e comes out, and it has the same differences... Well, *I* won't have an issue with it, but (IMO) your beef would be far more legitimate. Know what I mean?

Now, before you say that they could "FAQ & Erratta" it, remember that not everyone has internet access. You can't (well, SHOULDN'T) change the way an entire army works with Erratta & FAQ's. Not everyone has internet access.

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MagickalMemories wrote:Now, before you say that they could "FAQ & Erratta" it, remember that not everyone has internet access. You can't (well, SHOULDN'T) change the way an entire army works with Erratta & FAQ's. Not everyone has internet access.
Eric
That is a flawed argument. If your playing a Game like 40k that requires such a substantial investment, you have internet access. Don't even try and argue otherwise. It would be very, VERY simple to errata the BA and DA codex's (and all the others) in one fell swoop, but they don't because they are too lazy.

And even if you dont, so what? you just play the game without the errata. If your going to an official tournament (i.e. a GW run one not anything else) you'll need the internet also.

So, sorry, the argument of "not everyone has internet access" doesn't cut it mate.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/619831.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/619831.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
Gwar! wrote:That is a flawed argument. If your playing a Game like 40k that requires such a substantial investment, you have internet access. Don't even try and argue otherwise.


You can even prove your point by asking all the people without internet access to raise their hand.


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See, not one person posted to say they don't have internet access. You're competely right. Oh, wait a minute... theres something wrong with that logic....

So, sorry, the argument of "not everyone has internet access" doesn't cut it mate.


Just because you're rich enough to have internet and are sufficently an enthuisast with enough free time to download and read all the FAQs doesn't mean everyone is. Stop being so self-centred. Its a perfectly reasonable point of view for GW to want everyone playing on the same page, without people bringing in reams of printout and copies of White Dwarf for obscure and random extra rules.

It does cut it, and you're wrong.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/619939.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/619939.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
Hymirl wrote:Just because you're rich enough to have internet and are sufficently an enthuisast with enough free time to download and read all the FAQs doesn't mean everyone is. Stop being so self-centred. Its a perfectly reasonable point of view for GW to want everyone playing on the same page, without people bringing in reams of printout and copies of White Dwarf for obscure and random extra rules.

It does cut it, and you're wrong.


I'll grant you the part about not wanting to bring in reams of printouts and extra material that no one could reasonably keep track of, but that's why the FAQs are all in one place. And while your argument is essentially true, it is a fact that not everyone has internet, Gwar's argument is still valid. Namely, that if you are rich enough and have the free time to spend on Warhammer, then you are rich enough to afford internet and spend 5 minutes going to the GW website. And if you are in that situation but then choose not to get the internet for whatever reason, that's your own problem and not really something that GW should cater to (as it's a very small percentage of the population).

Face it, the internet is ubiquitous today, so it is perfectly reasonable for GW to publish their FAQs and Errata online. Even if you don't have personal internet access, you can go to a library and get online for free if needed.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/619960.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/619960.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
How many 40k players HAVE internet.

Intelligent Guess.

80%? 90%? 95%?

Whatever it is is is a Clear Majority. Why should GW cater to the minority of players (whom the internet errata wont ever affect anyway until they get internet, at which point they will get all the new spanky rules) to the detriment of the majority of players?
TehCheator wrote:Gwar's argument is still valid. Namely, that if you are rich enough and have the free time to spend on Warhammer, then you are rich enough to afford internet and spend 5 minutes going to the GW website. And if you are in that situation but then choose not to get the internet for whatever reason, that's your own problem and not really something that GW should cater to (as it's a very small percentage of the population).
Yup that's pretty much it in a nutshell.
Hymirl wrote: Its a perfectly reasonable point of view for GW to want everyone playing on the same page, without people bringing in reams of printout and copies of White Dwarf for obscure and random extra rules.
Well we still need reams of printouts anyway (namely errata and FAQS, especially for the Space Marine and Ork codex's who have errors and typos by the bucketful) adding a single extra page of "Replace this Effect with this effect" and "replace this Points cost with this points cost" wont change a thing.

Now since this is getting WAAAAY off topic, ill bid adieu now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/619962.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/619962.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
Gwar! wrote:
TehCheator wrote:Gwar's argument is still valid. Namely, that if you are rich enough and have the free time to spend on Warhammer, then you are rich enough to afford internet and spend 5 minutes going to the GW website. And if you are in that situation but then choose not to get the internet for whatever reason, that's your own problem and not really something that GW should cater to (as it's a very small percentage of the population).
Yup that's pretty much it in a nutshell.


This is ofcourse assuming people can be both rich and CLEVAR at the same time. Common sense is at a premium & some people loose out. The internet is also for pron, as a wise old tauren once sang, so people may be otherwise occcupied and may not have the time to check out GW's website! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/620021.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/620021.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter?? FAQ page might help[/Ninja]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/620089.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/620089.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter?? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/620357.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/620357.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
Hymirl wrote:...then you might as well hold Yakface personally responsible for everything strange in GW's FAQs. That would make about as much sense.


Well he did contribute to the FAQ's. They even mention him by name.

Say... maybe Yak *IS* Jervis. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/620444.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/620444.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
Gwar! wrote:

So, sorry, the argument of "not everyone has internet access" doesn't cut it mate.


Really? So the three (yes three!) people I know who play 40k, but don't have internet access, don't really exist....

*Starts watching for the men in white coats*


EDIT:

TehCreator wrote:
Namely, that if you are rich enough and have the free time to spend on Warhammer, then you are rich enough to afford internet and spend 5 minutes going to the GW website.


Let me add that these people I know live WAY far out of town, there's no cable TV, or phone access, not even cell phones. I do know one person who lives out their way who has all this stuff, but he was affluent enough to pay to have his own personal T1 line installed in his house. The point is, these people can't afford to pay the cable company to lay lines for them in an area that rural. ( like 100 people in 100 sq. miles.). usually these guys play against each other. Yes they can afford Warhammer, and will drive into town to play and purchase, but no, they simply cannot afford internet access. Are they the exception? Yes. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/620468.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/620468.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter?? FAQ's etc and pick them up next time they come into town to play. Since you the FAQ's (since some contain rather important errata) to play anyway it shouldn't make a shred of difference to just add in an extra page of Erratas

Problem Sorted.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/620523.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/620523.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
Gwar! wrote:
MagickalMemories wrote:Now, before you say that they could "FAQ & Erratta" it, remember that not everyone has internet access. You can't (well, SHOULDN'T) change the way an entire army works with Erratta & FAQ's. Not everyone has internet access.
Eric
That is a flawed argument. If your playing a Game like 40k that requires such a substantial investment, you have internet access. Don't even try and argue otherwise. It would be very, VERY simple to errata the BA and DA codex's (and all the others) in one fell swoop, but they don't because they are too lazy.

And even if you dont, so what? you just play the game without the errata. If your going to an official tournament (i.e. a GW run one not anything else) you'll need the internet also.

So, sorry, the argument of "not everyone has internet access" doesn't cut it mate.


Whatever.
The bottom line is that you're trying to compare an old edition codex and a new one to find your complaint.
Complain about something more sensible.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/620551.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/620551.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
While I appreciate he doesn't have the final say in much it's still a kick in the teeth to Dark Angel and Blood Angel Players (as a Space Wolf Player I sympathise with them, even though I get all the spangly new toys )]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/620602.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/620602.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
If you need a 'reason' beyond 'dems da rulz'... then how about the 'new' storm shields do something that interfere with the technology that lets the DA termies DS on the first turn.

I see lots of complaints that DA termies dont' get 3++ storm shields, but very few complaints that they get to DS on the first turn.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/621320.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/621320.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
Gwar! wrote:
MagickalMemories wrote:Now, before you say that they could "FAQ & Erratta" it, remember that not everyone has internet access. You can't (well, SHOULDN'T) change the way an entire army works with Erratta & FAQ's. Not everyone has internet access.
Eric
That is a flawed argument. If your playing a Game like 40k that requires such a substantial investment, you have internet access. Don't even try and argue otherwise. It would be very, VERY simple to errata the BA and DA codex's (and all the others) in one fell swoop, but they don't because they are too lazy.

And even if you dont, so what? you just play the game without the errata. If your going to an official tournament (i.e. a GW run one not anything else) you'll need the internet also.

So, sorry, the argument of "not everyone has internet access" doesn't cut it mate.


You are quite wrong. I get several calls a day from those without internet access. Don't just assume everyone does. It'd be nice, but it's not true.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/622248.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/622248.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter?? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/622299.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/622299.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter?? FAQ-documents. That should leave most of the playerbase covered.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/622303.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/622303.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
Mellon wrote:I imagine that posting updates in white dwarf could be a good complement to the internetbased FAQ-documents. That should leave most of the playerbase covered.
The problem there is they tried that, and it didnt work because they didnt back it up with internet based acess to the updates as well. Nowadays they could do both quite easily.

As I have said before, it wont affect people without internet in the slightest because they will either:

a) Play people who also don't have internet, and use the game without the errata (similar to how people with Old Magic Cards and no Internet use the cards without it.) They still have fun, no biggie.
b) Play people who DO have internet, and can get a copy off their mates/local store, thereby avoiding the need for internet at all. It also improved "official" tournament play by making each codex more competitive and, to be honest, worthwhile. You still have to bring your rulebooks and FAQ shenanigans to tournaments anyway. One Extra page wont hurt.

Honestly. I cannot see it being that complicated, even if you have to adjust the points of options and weapons to bring it in line with the current costs. Hell I am sure I could do it in a few weeks. I have plenty of free time and access to every codex.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/622316.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/622316.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter?? flgs I get beaten by cardtypes I didn't even know existed. But I play regularly with my old crew, using decks that even were tournament legal lat 90-ies. I havn't seen a cardlist or errata in ages, I have fun anyhow.

On topic again. Please do make a collected "rules"document were you sort out the most common conflicting rules and makes weapon work the same way nevermind who is holding it. Maybe even out some pointscosts. If you want inspiration, do a google for "fluid 40k" It's a set of reasonable houserules that I like to use.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/622368.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/622368.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
Mellon wrote:I imagine that posting updates in white dwarf could be a good complement to the internetbased FAQ-documents. That should leave most of the playerbase covered.


Yeah, but who wants to pay THAT ridiculous price to get a dang FAQ?

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MagickalMemories wrote:
Mellon wrote:I imagine that posting updates in white dwarf could be a good complement to the internetbased FAQ-documents. That should leave most of the playerbase covered.


Yeah, but who wants to pay THAT ridiculous price to get a dang FAQ?

Eric
Hence the ones put up on the internet?

And its not like they will print ONLY the FAQ/errata and charge you full price (Though I would not be surprised if they did). They'd put it in as well as the rest of the useless rubbish in it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/623172.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/623172.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
Gwar! wrote:So what? You deliberately curtail the enjoyment of 90% of the playerbase to cater for the 10% without Internet?

No, we treat our customers the same. We've done the whole updating an army book by FAQ/Errata/White Dwarf, it didn't work so well(Dark Eldar/Dark Elves). It promotes the idea that if one were to complain enough, the rules would get changed(as happened with Dark Elves).

Besides, it would be pretty bad to sell a codex that wasn't even correct. A couple of erratas for legit errors is Ok, but to update the Dark Angels(for example) online would make the Codex almost useless.

But that's just my 2 cents. I have no real insider info on this, just my speculation.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/624400.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/624400.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter?? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/624480.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/624480.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
Gwar! wrote:So what? You deliberately curtail the enjoyment of 90% of the playerbase to cater for the 10% without Internet?


It's easy to make up statistics, and it makes you seem smarter!


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JohnOSpencer wrote:
Gwar! wrote:So what? You deliberately curtail the enjoyment of 90% of the playerbase to cater for the 10% without Internet?

No, we treat our customers the same. We've done the whole updating an army book by FAQ/Errata/White Dwarf, it didn't work so well(Dark Eldar/Dark Elves). It promotes the idea that if one were to complain enough, the rules would get changed(as happened with Dark Elves).

Besides, it would be pretty bad to sell a codex that wasn't even correct. A couple of erratas for legit errors is Ok, but to update the Dark Angels(for example) online would make the Codex almost useless.

But that's just my 2 cents. I have no real insider info on this, just my speculation.


And having a codex that is 90% useless compared to C:SM is soooo much better. (i say 90% because Deathwing is still the only way to field termies as troops) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/624581.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/624581.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
JohnOSpencer wrote:
No, we treat our customers the same. We've done the whole updating an army book by FAQ/Errata/White Dwarf, it didn't work so well(Dark Eldar/Dark Elves). It promotes the idea that if one were to complain enough, the rules would get changed(as happened with Dark Elves).

Well, you can call it listening to customer feedback if it feels better :-)

JohnOSpencer wrote:Besides, it would be pretty bad to sell a codex that wasn't even correct. A couple of erratas for legit errors is Ok, but to update the Dark Angels(for example) online would make the Codex almost useless.

Then I'd reccomend you stop selling a defunct codex. I guess you are already using digital printing so it wouldn't be horribly costly to print updated codexes once per year and let your resellers return the outdated ones. Combine this with clear version numbers/update number. It will cost you some more.

Another creative way to keep your codexes up to date is to post some rules updates at a separate section in each new edition of the new 40k-rulebook. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/624718.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/624718.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
It will cost you some more.

HAHAHAHA..... that is funny. "some more"

yeah, that *minimal* cost of effort to reprint eveything, *and* ship it, and have the resellers track what they have, and ship it back, and all the requisite book keeping, etc. etc.

And like thats not going to piss of the stores that have to package up their codices and send them back?


The point is, the game still works when there are different versions of the Land Raider. And it even still makes sense. Not every chapter is going to have the *exact same* options on their vehicles. Hell, the same plane sold to the US airforce and the US navy may be significantly different.

It makes perfect sense that what one chapter uses as a psychic hood works differently than what another chapter uses as a psychic hood.

Stop the whining.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/624784.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/624784.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter?? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/624914.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233163/624914.page GMT Scout Bikes and Terminators Teleporting?? Turboboost?? No Scatter??
* facepalm *

What's with all this bitterness? Lighten up please. We are talking about our toy soldiers afterall.

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Hymirl wrote:
Gwar! wrote:That is a flawed argument. If your playing a Game like 40k that requires such a substantial investment, you have internet access. Don't even try and argue otherwise.


You can even prove your point by asking all the people without internet access to raise their hand.


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See, not one person posted to say they don't have internet access. You're competely right. Oh, wait a minute... theres something wrong with that logic....

So, sorry, the argument of "not everyone has internet access" doesn't cut it mate.


Just because you're rich enough to have internet and are sufficently an enthuisast with enough free time to download and read all the FAQs doesn't mean everyone is. Stop being so self-centred. Its a perfectly reasonable point of view for GW to want everyone playing on the same page, without people bringing in reams of printout and copies of White Dwarf for obscure and random extra rules.

It does cut it, and you're wrong.
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