http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net RTT coming up on the 28th, and I need some help banging out a final list. I don't have all the models to fill out the points yet, so I'll need tips on what else to add.

The models I currently have:
Terminator Lord
5 Terminators
5 Chosen (can flesh out with a few bolter csm as ablative shielding)
30 Berzerkers
1 Land Raider
5 Possessed
1 Chaos Dread

I may or may not have some Raptors by the time the tournament rolls around (I'm converting some up), and I will hopefully be getting two rhinos tonight, and a third before the tourney. I not only want tips on the list itself, but on what to buy to flesh it out. Below is a preliminary list I slapped together based on my 1500 pt list and the models available/wanted. I will NOT be running oblits, simply because I don't have the time or bitz to convert some up, and I refuse to buy the hideous GW models. I would like to try not to spend too much, so any suggestions that don't involve more vehicles would be nice, since I am already gonna be shelling out the cash for three rhinos :O

HQ
Lord in Term Armour 140
MoK
LC

Elites
4 Chaos Terminators 210
IoK
1xCFist&combi-melta
1xCFist&HFlamer
2xLC
Land Raider w/ Havoc Launcher 235

5 Chosen 165
4xmeltaguns
AC w/PFist

5 Possessed 160
MoK

Troops
10 Berzerkers - Champ w/PFist 250
Rhino 35
10 Berzerkers - Champ w/PFist 250
Rhino 35
10 Berzerkers - Champ w/PFist 250
Rhino 35
10 Lesser Daemons 130

Heavy Support
Predator w/HB sponsons 100

Total: 1995



This list is definitely less than ideal, but I don't have my codex on me atm, so I'm not 100% on a few of the points costs, and the predator is just filler (I would like to avoid buying one). The list itself is pretty straightforward, with the berzerkers in rhinos following the land raider up the board or securing objectives, if necessary. The Daemons can be CC support or an objective claiming/contesting deep strike, with the Chosen as a dedicated tank hunting unit.

The list definitely needs some work, so go crazy with C&C. Just keep in mind my time and model constraints.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/621274.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/621274.page GMT CC with chaos. If I were you, I would give all of your terminators combi meltas and deepstrike them and ruin somebody's day when you deepstrike and incinerate a tank. Same with the terminator lord. I think you are far better off with a Daemon Prince.
If I were you, I would get more berzerkers in Rhino and just charge up the field. Forget raptors, you need WS5 and furious charge to really do some damage.

Lesser daemon are a good idea, but dont forget about Icons to bring them in.
to be honoest, the possesed are a waste of points

the chosen are good, but give them a rhino.

Possesed are not a good idea, stick with more berzerkers or more terminators.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/621295.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/621295.page GMT
If I decide to go all out with purchases, I'll probably buy the following (But likely not, I'm not made of money):

Another Land Raider
3 Rhinos
A box of Bloodletters
(Maybe) A Daemon Prince

This way, I could run the daemons, put two squads of zerks into Land Raiders for a possible 1st turn assault, give the other zerk squad and chosen both rhinos, and drop some Daemons on the emeny/an objective. I want to have a well balanced list, as my opponents run the gamut of army lists (I think the FLGS has at least one player for each army, with a slight leaning towards MEQs).

For the time being a DP is pretty low on my list despite the value in battle, because I love my moderately converted Terminator Lord model, and I don't like the standard GW DP model.


HQ
Lord in Term Armour 140
MoK
LC

Elites
4 Chaos Terminators 210
IoK
2xCFist&combi-melta
2xLC

8 Chosen 224
4xmeltaguns
AC w/PFist, Icon
Rhino 35

Troops
10 Berzerkers - Champ w/PFist, Icon 255
Rhino 35
10 Berzerkers - Champ w/PFist, Icon 255
10 Berzerkers - Champ w/PFist, Icon 255
10 Lesser Daemons 130

Heavy Support
Land Raider 220
Land Raider 220

Total: 1999

So, this would be the basic list with unlimited funds, with two zerk squads in LRs.

EDIT: Damn, I really like the look of the list now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/621325.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/621325.page GMT
LRs are a huge point investment. I get what you're using them for, but the points won't be worth it. Oblitz will fill the missing spot in your list while being generally awesome and always useful no matter what you fight. I used to love LD but basic CSM are 2 points more and have guns too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/621418.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/621418.page GMT CSM and see how it looks.

Don't get me wrong, my bitz box is severely taxed by the projects I am working on, and I will certainly make a DP and some Oblits in time, but what I need is a list that I can play 9 days from now, and with the other stuff I need to finish throwing together, I just don't have time to get the DP or Oblits done.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/621446.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/621446.page GMT LotR Baal Rag makes a good khorne DP, though he is a tad on the huge side and will probobly never get cover saves.

As for the unlimited funds list I like everything except the demons. All they do is add easy to kill models to the fight that can be used to counter all the damage the zerkers do. An infiltrating chosen min sized melta squad, or points for more rhinos would be better use of the points IMO.

As for the list of what you have buying a predator is only useful when you want a rhino that comes with extra parts. In an army that destroys troops already you don't need the ac/hb loadout. As mentioned posessed really suck ... all of mine have been converted into champions, characters, or split up to just give flavor to other marine units. They would make a good unit of zerkers if you give them pistol arms and a model that's is painted differently to represent the power weapon or power fist on the champion. If I were building off those forces I would suggest the followign additions :

CSM box of 10 This would give you some stay at home and guard objectives marines, that could also be used to bump up chosen squads etc.

a demon prince of some sort. Doesnt have to be one of the offical models, but at 2000 most lists will run two HQ. Find any demon model that you think looks khorney and put it on a 40mm base(I think, I always based mine larger pre 5th ed). A bloodcrusher would be a suitable stand in for a demon prince in a khorne army, but you would still need to find wings that would look okay for it. There are some fantays demon princes and demon characters that would look good too, not sure of their names though, it's been a while .. belekor or something like that is a nice basic demon that would suit your needs.

Rhinos. 5th edition is the mach edition. Walking zerkers are just easy pickings for yoru opponents. Rhinos get them there and quickly. Also lets them redeploy when theyv'e killed something and the next target is severa lwalking turns away.

Meph]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/621455.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/621455.page GMT DP or Kharn, as I don't have any need for more armor. The Chosen could drop their 'extras' and just run with the min squad, and those points would free me up to add some vehicle upgrades, put in another terminator, or do anything else thats worth 50 points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/621517.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/621517.page GMT Chosen are good in here.
Without a Raider, the terms have no potential.
Take Termicide instead.
Drop the daemons.
Switch to 4x8 Zerk.
Like the Raiders.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/621534.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/621534.page GMT csm into the mix. This gives me an additional troops unit that can hold objectives better than the lesser daemons, and I can still have a double land raider charge, with terminators equipped to take out both troops and vehicles. I think the regular CSM could be better, and I may have their points total wrong, since I don't have my codex on me. I am 99% sure the rest is all added up correctly, though. I don't think the CSM can have two special weapons at that squad size, but if they can, then I can add a flamer or drop the IoCG for dual plasma or melta. Kharn is interchangeable with a DP, and the points difference, though minor, could flesh out another squad by one model or put an upgrade on a Raider.

HQ
Lord in Term Armour 140
MoK
LC

Kharn the Betrayer 165

Elites
4 Chaos Terminators 210
IoK
1xCFist&combi-melta
1xCFist&HF
2xLC
Land Raider 220

5 Chosen 165
4xmeltaguns
AC w/PFist
Rhino 35

Troops
9 Berzerkers - Champ w/PFist 229
(In Land Raider w/Kharn)
8 Berzerkers - Champ w/PFist 208
Rhino 35
8 Berzerkers - Champ w/PFist 208
Rhino 35
7 CSM w/IoCG,melta 125

Heavy Support
Land Raider 220

Total: 1995]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/621609.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/621609.page GMT ATM. If so, do eet! I'd pull meltas from the CSM and Chosen squads untill every tank has some punch.

The Chosen are a waste as they are though. They show up, MAYBE close to a tank and damage it. If not, they die horribly. I might just take them out completely and fill up the Zerkers and CSM (after outfitting the transports).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/623159.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/623159.page GMT CSM altogether, and using the points to fill out the chosen (to give them more survivability) and put combi-melts on the vehicles as you suggested. The problem with combis (at least on the rhinos) is that rhinos tend to die pretty fast, and then that's a potential waste of ten points.

EDIT: Maybe something like this.

HQ
Lord in Term Armour 140
MoK
LC

Kharn the Betrayer 165

Elites
4 Chaos Terminators 210
IoK
1xCFist&combi-melta
1xCFist&HF
2xLC
Land Raider, Combi-melta 230

10 Chosen 255
4xmeltaguns
AC w/PFist
IoCG
Rhino, Combi-melta 45

Troops
9 Berzerkers - Champ w/PFist 229
(In Land Raider w/Kharn)
8 Berzerkers - Champ w/PFist 208
Rhino 35
8 Berzerkers - Champ w/PFist 208
Rhino 35

Heavy Support
Land Raider, Combi-melta 230

Total: 2000 on the nose]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/623343.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/623343.page GMT
A Rhino will earn it's points back if it even damages another tank. The combi~melt makes it a light tank with some firepower. If you're certain the points are better somewhere else, I'll let it go, heh.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/624116.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/624116.page GMT CSM on it, but drop the IoCG and melta from that squad. If I also turned a termy CF into a PF, then I could get combi-meltas on all the rhinos, at least.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/624178.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/233796/624178.page GMT