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				<title>My current 1000 point Chaos SM list</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Here's what I have:<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>:<br /> <br /> 2 Daemon Prince<br /> <br /> Troops:<br /> <br /> 8 plague marines (2 meltaguns)<br /> 8 plague marines (2 meltaguns)<br /> <br /> Dedicated Transports:<br /> <br /> 2 Rhinos<br /> <br /> Heavy Support:<br /> <br /> 2 Obliterators<br /> 2 Obliterators<br /> <br /> Should round to 998 points <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:18:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Zoot]]></author>
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				<title>Re:My current 1000 point Chaos SM list</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I advise you get the 5th ed <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> Codex and read it carefully, otherwise let us know its a 4th Ed list (which would be semi-pointless as you can't use that outside of a friendly game).<br /> <br /> You have a major problem if you're trying to make this a 5th Ed list - No <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span>'s in Chaos <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> forces anymore! Only Lords and Sorcerors, plus maybe a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(42);'>GD</span> if you can stomach the stripped down generic one with no save, not  even an invunerable one that every Daemon in the Chaos Daemons Codex gets.  Where you'll also find the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> - strangely enough in the Heavy Support section!  Oblits are Elites anyway not Heavy, have been since 3rd ed.  They've been largely nerfed anyway as they're now energy gun type only & no power fists/weapons so not much use in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>cc</span>.  Basically semi-mobile gun turrets that need protecting which is easier with the new 5th ed cover rules etc.  Plague marines are rock hard, though they are rather expensive at 23pts each in 5th ed.  Best used in conjunction with fire support from Undivided heavies or Tzeentch or <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>cc</span> specialists like Khorne or Slaneesh.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:59:26]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ baldiman]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Umm - no, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> are <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>, Oblits are Heavy, they have a powerfist, and they are the best unit in the 5th edition <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span>.<br /> <br /> Your list is fine, but if it were me I would drop one prince, put wings and warp time on the remaining one, and drop a marine form one squad to put a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>pf</span> champ in both of them.<br /> <br /> At 1000, 2 wingless princes is &lt; 1 winged warptime prince.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:32:01]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Inigo Montoya]]></author>
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				<title>Re:My current 1000 point Chaos SM list</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ The only thing I would caution against would be if you take a winged prince, the tempation to jump forward for lash is a liability. I feel that a 2 lash list in this low of points is worth taking the 2 walking <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span>'s, just use the Oblits or rhinos to sheild them and your flanks. Then use each as a magnet to pull units into the oblits to crush them. This type of army will be pretty defensive given the movement of the oblits but lashing your opponents forward should take care of that.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:13:40]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ eltharion72]]></author>
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				<title>Re:My current 1000 point Chaos SM list</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>baldiman wrote:</cite>I advise you get the 5th ed <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> Codex and read it carefully, otherwise let us know its a 4th Ed list (which would be semi-pointless as you can't use that outside of a friendly game).<br /> <br /> You have a major problem if you're trying to make this a 5th Ed list - No <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span>'s in Chaos <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> forces anymore! Only Lords and Sorcerors, plus maybe a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(42);'>GD</span> if you can stomach the stripped down generic one with no save, not  even an invunerable one that every Daemon in the Chaos Daemons Codex gets.  Where you'll also find the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> - strangely enough in the Heavy Support section!  Oblits are Elites anyway not Heavy, have been since 3rd ed.  They've been largely nerfed anyway as they're now energy gun type only & no power fists/weapons so not much use in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>cc</span>.  Basically semi-mobile gun turrets that need protecting which is easier with the new 5th ed cover rules etc.  Plague marines are rock hard, though they are rather expensive at 23pts each in 5th ed.  Best used in conjunction with fire support from Undivided heavies or Tzeentch or <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>cc</span> specialists like Khorne or Slaneesh.<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Wow, you could not be more wrong. I dont know where youre getting your information from but its all incorrect. The most recent <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> codex does contain <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> demon princes, heavy support oblits (with better weapons than pervious editions and powerfists). It seems like youre getting confused with the current <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> codex, the previous <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> codex and the new Demons codex.<br /> <br /> @ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(280);'>OP</span>:<br /> <br /> Your demon princes need wings, its worth dropping a couple of plague marines to pay for this. Appart from that it looks good.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:15:20]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Regwon]]></author>
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				<title>Re:My current 1000 point Chaos SM list</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I stand corrected, I've played through too many 'Dexes - since 3rd Ed in fact <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">.  <br /> <br /> The Oblits can of course get cover from the Plague Marine squads.  Might want to split them 1/1/2 with the 2 staying behind in cover for long range shooting, the rest move up slowly with the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PMs</span>, giving them supporting fire or <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>cc</span> clout as needed.  Split into 2 units they can do both independently.<br /> <br /> I concur on the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DPs</span> to a degree, though at 1000 points you'll probably need more troops!  Just use 1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> with Wings & Warptime, maybe Doombolt or Wind of Chaos (old Stream of Corruption from 3rd Ed remember that one - a real vomit from the past heh heh).  With the rest you can also kit out 5 Chosen with say a melta or two to infiltrate and character/tank kill.  Give them an IofCG and they can use its homing abilibity to call in Oblits if you want to give an opponent a nasty surpise close to his lines!<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:31:23]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ baldiman]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Nope, they need a personal icon to guide the oblits.<br /> <br /> At 1000, 1 winged prince with warp time, 2 X 2 oblits, and 2 squads of rhino riding plague marines with pfed champs will beat people down low.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:25:08]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Inigo Montoya]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ah I see, so drop one daemon prince and put upgrades on the other one and the two remaining squads. What do you guys think of Defilers in this list? I could run 2 obliterators and 1 defiler, or would it be better to just stay with the four oblits?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:32:29]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Zoot]]></author>
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				<title>Re:My current 1000 point Chaos SM list</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ why couldnt you drop both princes's for Abaddon?]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Silentway]]></author>
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