<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "So...Dark Eldar?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net So...Dark Eldar? DE Codex. I heard it hasn't been updated in a while, but does it have a FAQ?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637604.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637604.page GMT So...Dark Eldar? DE codex is around 8years+ old....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637621.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637621.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637640.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637640.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637649.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637649.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar?
they do have the oldest codex and their modells may be the most disgusting and horribly misshaped of all wh40k modells,

BUT they have some very cool things , let's look at them:

just as arbalest said their transports are fast , cheap and your army can field ALOT of dark lances ( bright lances )

their archon can have this special field that gives him a 2+ invuln . that's pretty amazing , although you should still protect him because if he fails his save , then you may not use that save for the rest of the game
and he can have the agoniser , which is an energy weapon that always wounds on 4's
and combat drugs make him a monster

their standard troops are some of the best in the whole game ,
they got a godlike initative of 5 , WS 4 ( that's amazing for a 8 point unt ) and as far as i know they also got a bs of 4 making them a good shoot and then charge unit

then you have wytches with their special combat drugs that work in another way then the archon's
and they have wytch weapons , halving your opponents ws
they have a very good initative meaning they strike first
i think they are in line with banshees

and you got the best meat shield in the whole game ( better than killa kans ) : the grotesque
with his special feel no pain rule ( not the universal one ) he can only be wounded by s6 shooting attacks
a must have in any footslogging army

also you got the talon which is a pain in the a$$ with his powerful shooty weapon that eats nids ig and orks and his claws that give him d6 attacks at t7 and s7 . but really powerfull he is against vehicles . you only roll once for armour penetration

then you got scourges which get relatively cheap dark lances , 4 per squad making them better tank hunters then devestators

and you got the ravager , 3 dark lances with bs 4 for just 105 points ? yes please



but the most important thing is your special character ( don't know his name , he is a hemoncolous )
he EATS any enemy with his fire template weapon . he wounds on automatically and ignores cover saves for a sick price of just 100 points . and don't forget that he has poison blades and a stinger.
his shooty weapons have a d6 for armour penetration so it is kinda a gamble but it is powerfull
in my oppinion he is the best ic in the whole game

then you got incubi with their s5 energy weapons and 3+ save for 25 points each model. they got a dark eldar mandiblaster , the tormentor helm . just powerfull

now i am not saying that dark eldar are fine as they are now , because the surely aren't
as i said before their modells uglyness causes eye cancer and their rules are not up to date with the new 5th ed rules

but nevertheless they can be an unbelievably competetive and effective list , which is sadly not seen alot these days
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637688.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637688.page GMT So...Dark Eldar? DE were designed to eat MEQ for breakfast, which they STILL do quite well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637732.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637732.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? DE. A lot complain about them, but I thought they looked pretty decent from what I read in their codex. I think I might have to check them out. What would be a good 500 point core start?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637742.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637742.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar?
your army should look something like this:

hq
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archon , agonizer , splinter pistol + an incubi retinue of 2 men

troops
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8 warriros ,splinter cannon + raider
8 warriors + raider

heavy support
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ravager

=500 points total

it should do kinda well , you got 5 bright lances. it looks like you got only 19 models , which is true , but you will stay behind and snipe his vehicles with your lances and when he get's close , disembark , shoot , and get back in then run away . remember your standard weapons are 24" , you outrange most armies

when plaing games with more points , lets say 750 points you should take another squad of warriors in a raider with a cannon , another incubi and a squad of wytches . if you got points left give the 2nd warrior squad a cannon.
mobility is the key
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637764.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637764.page GMT So...Dark Eldar?
Archon-116
Agoniser
Tormentor Helm
Trophy Rack
Combat Drugs
Shadow Field

Elites
9 Wyches-163
Succubus
2 Blasters
Raider

Troops

10 Warriors-145
Dark Lance
Raider

10 Warriors-145
Dark Lance
Raider

Talos-100

Talos-100

You have 5 Lances, Wyches and a 2 Talos' for CC, and your Archon can ride with the Wyches as well. It's a fast list, and somewhat fragile and low on troops, but it's still great IMHO.

good luck, DE player!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637811.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637811.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar?
@ Cryonicleech: That list looks good imo. Fast Troops with 5 dark lances, pretty sick for tank busting. Are all those wargear upgrades on the Archon necessary, or could you add some Incubi for a retinue on him. Also, how is this list fragile. It may lack troops but it looks like it can does well against heavily armored enemies, and would do well against melee armies because of the speed and range of the army. Wyches are tough in CC as well as the Talos, so where are the cons in this list?

Also, I couldn't find what a Splinter Cannon does in the codex because I'm currently being rushed by my girlfriend and my band practice soon. Could anyone direct me to the page it is on or state what it does?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637831.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637831.page GMT So...Dark Eldar? DE are going to be a tremendously powerful army from 500-1750 points. At 2000 you're running short of stuff to take, and at point levels above 2000 you pretty much have to fill the force org chart just to get enough guys in to meet the points requirement.

But for a 1500-1750 army, they are quite vicious and absolutely murder Marines. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637858.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637858.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? de are very good in low - med point games

@ s1gns
splinter cannon @ page 13 , the refference sheet

@ cryonicleech

i think your archon is fitted out too much . you don't nead that field , it costs 25 p , just like 3 warriors . if you accompany him with those 3 warriors , it is as if he would be having 3 extra wounds because of wound allocation . i also wouldn't take drugs ( lol ) in a 800 point game . the only real bonus that is good for an archon is the +1 attack , but for that price , you could take an incubi which has 2 attacks.
it would also be more effective to give up the trophy rack to upgrade 1 raider's brightlance to a disintegrator . you will nead more anti infantry than anti tank. you should also exchange a talos for a ravager , the talos will be shot up before getting into cc .
you shouldn't put lances on warriors , because then the whole squad would waste it's shots to just do 1 lance shot . what are you going to use to kill the enemy infantry ? only the wytches and the archon ? would be smarter to take 4 lances in a 5 man squad of scourges . that way you would get 10 lances total , without wasting any shots . wytches are only usefull against horde enemies but they are s*** against marines and necrons . that's why they should rather take a shredder as you would only use them against low toughness modells , so templates are better.also the succubus just has +1 attack , for that points you could get a warrior for the archon to have more survivability . when fighting marines , you should rather get 5 incubi with the archon
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637883.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637883.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? DE fair against Eldar, Tau, Nurgle CSM, Tyranids and SoB. These armies are common amongst the friends I play with. I'm guessing DE will do well vs them all but the nids. Tau troops are pushovers, but my friend has some a lot of suits which might screw my transports. Eldar won't do too much to me until he mechanizes it. The Nurgle CSM will be annoying, but probably are still dealable. SoB will get romped imo. Nids I think are the only army that can screw me I think. How is my synopsis?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637896.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637896.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar?
s1gns wrote:How will the DE fair against Eldar, Tau, Nurgle CSM, Tyranids and SoB. These armies are common amongst the friends I play with. I'm guessing DE will do well vs them all but the nids. Tau troops are pushovers, but my friend has some a lot of suits which might screw my transports. Eldar won't do too much to me until he mechanizes it. The Nurgle CSM will be annoying, but probably are still dealable. SoB will get romped imo. Nids I think are the only army that can screw me I think. How is my synopsis?


against eldar you WILL have a problem , they are faster . that's right . because the de codex is older than george w. bush , we do not get any upgrades that make us go faster . eldar got star engines , that means they reach us VERY fast this means the enemy will destroy you like this : serpent moves fast right next to your raider , you run 24 " . he disembarks 10 dire avengers with an exarch with bladestorm . 30 s4 shots . they CAN pen you , because you are open topped . let's do the maths :

30 shots , 20 hit
20 shot's , 3 pen

he just neads to immobelise you and you are dead . then your squad is dead.

and your lance wearing vehicles are dead , because he just deepstrikes a 10 man squad of swooping haws with an exarch and the ability that makes you hit vehicles on 4s . let's do math again :

10 haywire grenade attacks , 5 hit
4 glance , 1 pens

again he only neads to immobelise you .

how to counter this ? FOOTSLOGGING !
he can't take your mobility if you ain't got any .
as i said before , use grotesques to screen your troops , and get into cc . you don't nead agonizers against eldar , they got t3
eldar power is finesse , take it from them !! just use alot fo wytches , eldar don't got THAT good armor .
when fighting a mech list , deepstrike a squad of scourges with lances behind his vehicles to kill them . you just nead to immobelise his vehicls too to kill them WOHOOO!!!!
use talons to kill banshees , s3 is not enough to even have a chance to wound t7 and because of d6 attacks + 1 you should do pretty well. your enemy won't be using fire dragons if he has got a brain , because 80% of your vehicles got av10 , enough to be killed by a standard shuriken weapon . that's why you don't want to use vehicles against eldar AT ALL .
just get a bunch of shredders to mow him down . the only unit you are going to fear are striking scorpions because of their good 3+ armour save and because of their 3 s4 attacks . that hurts. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637926.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/637926.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/638295.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/638295.page GMT So...Dark Eldar? DE are Slaanesh/Tzeench daemons.

They are fast and can carve through your armor like knife through butter.

Then again, everyone who does daemons goes generic or crusher heavy which you just outrun]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/638308.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/638308.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? DE. (I leveled your demon Nenya)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/638352.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/638352.page GMT So...Dark Eldar?
Slaanesh is the fast close combat element that can corner you then go in for the kill.

I played daemons against a very experienced DE player and noticed that he could deal with everything but the screamers and mass daemonettes/fiends because they matched his speed

[Thanks for the lvl]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/638473.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/638473.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar?
against tau , you are outranged . what to do ?
DEEPSTRIKE. your raiders can get a relatively cheap upgrade that allows them to ds , and when they do that , they count as having moved 6" . after deeptriking , get into cc . tau suck BADLY in cc . this is where you shine .
you should use some scourges with disintegrators . those are basically plasma cannons that can't get hot . you will nead templates.
tau weaponry wounds you on 2 and denys your save , that's why you should block LOS with your raider when you disembark .
it will probably die , but that's just fine .
you shouldn't take ANY talos , he will probably die on turn 2 before reaching cc.
you should take some heamoncolous with destructor , theres a 50% chance that your flamers will have ap4 . in a group of 3 , that kills
if he tries to kill you with many tanks , you can buy a squad of 10 footslogging warriors with 2(!) lances.


against nid's , you won't really have a problem , you outrange most of their weapons .
if he uses a lot of hordes , take 3 haemoncolous with destructor .
you CAN defeat them in cc , you just nead to make sure that their squad is not at full strengh . shoot them , then charge , there should be not a lot left of them . snipe his synapse and his troops will run very quickly.

if he makes a 'nidzilla list , he will have about 6 mc's in a 1500 p game. easy to counter.
take 2 squads of scourges with dark lances and concentrate fire .
let's do the maths :
8 shots , 5 hit
5 hits , 3-4 wound .
that's a good chance to kill a fex in just one round . now you just nead a ravager and 2 10 man squads of warriors with lances , NOT mounted . do not give your archon a retinue , he won't be seeing combat . instead of an archon , take 3 haemoncolous with destructors against his meatshields . remember 'nidzilla lists don't have a lot of synapse]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/638731.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/638731.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? DE fair against Nurgle CSM and SoB?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/639108.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/639108.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? but sisters power comes from low range weaponry ( flamer , melta )
first off they only have meltas for anti vehicle . so just stand 24" away from their multi meltas and you won't get shot down .
take alot of disintegrators , as they can shoot 3 s4 ap3 shots at 24" .
sisters got REALLY gay vehicles , all got a rhinos armor . that means that you MAY NOT ( i mean it ! ) take dark lances , their bonus get's negated as they got no vehicle with a better armor than 12 . take disintegrators . not only do they kill the vehicles , but they also brutalise any sister squad . you shouldn't play a mech list against sisters . you should rather take 10 men footslogging squads of warriors with 2 blasters and 2 splinter cannonc . first you shoot them then you assault them . their 10 (wo)man squads won't stand a chance. also this is the only army where i wouldn't take any scourges , you should rather take 2 ravagers with disintegrators .
basic tactic is to stay in cover with your squads and use your disintegrators to kill their vehicles . then use your disintegrators to shoot away at their squads . math'S time !!!
18 shots , 12 hit
12 hits , 8 wound and kill

that owns sister squads

against this army , your archon will actually see combat . you won't nead agonizers , as you will wound them on 4's anyway . just get energy weapons for him .
don't take wyches . that would be just be stupid . on the charge they would kill 3 on average . not worth it .
talos would be a pretty good idea. you just nead to get it into cc and it kills them all .
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/639193.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/639193.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/639308.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/639308.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar?
your footslogging squads should be 10 man , as you want as many special weapons as possible . take as many as you can with 2 ravagers with desintigretors and an archon . should do the trick in 500 point games , in bigger games , just take more troops , a talos
and make the retinue of the archon bigger


now , against deathguard , use exactly the same tactic as against sisters . just avoid combat AT ALL COSTS .
deathguard cost more points than sisters , meaning that you will not fight as many models , which is good]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/639416.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/639416.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar?
The 750 point list I might use would be:

HQ
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Archon (Agonizer, Splinter Pistol, Incubi retinue of 4 men)

Troops
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10 Warriors (2 Blasters, 2 Splinter Cannons)
10 Warriors (2 Blasters, 2 Splinter Cannons)
10 Warriors (2 Blasters, 1 Splinter Cannons)

Heavy Support
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Ravager (3 Disintegrators)
Ravager (3 Disintegrators)

Total: 741

What do you think?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/639730.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/639730.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? 2 squads of sisters would'nt make ANY problem . you should kill them easily . and your archon + retinue OWNS his commander
don't give your archon an agonizer , you wound t3 models ( sisters ) on 4's anyway . give him a power weapon .

when are you fighting him/her ?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/639772.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/639772.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? DE quite yet, I was just getting general overviews on DE match-ups. I think when I assemble a DE army, I'll do rather well vs my friends. We usually do 2v2, 1000 points between the two teams. When my friend gets more Eldar models, we'll progress to 750 pt armies, and then 1000 pt armies a piece. What would be the strongest army combo with DE out of the listed armies? (Sob, Tau, Eldar, SM which is my 2nd army (Soon to be Blood Angels), Nurgle CSM, Tyranids) When I actually start my DE army depends on how fast I can get my Blood Angels army assembled and painted. In a perfect world, a month or two. Hopefully much sooner though because I'm PUMPED about making a DE army. I've liked them ever since I bought DoW:SS for the PC. Gotta love t1 Jetbikes and Hellions with Mandrake support. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/639906.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/639906.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar?
If (at any time) you feel your tactics are cheap or unfair, you are playing the Dark Eldar correctly.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/640013.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/640013.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/640133.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/640133.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? Slaanesh will enjoy your beautiful souls!

But seriously, I think the only real threat to DE is a fast Daemon army which no one ever plays because they read the hellblade profile and they're like...

OMG@@#%!@!!!! power weapons woooooo~

Which you will slaughter because they are only basic footsloggers.

While a properly (IMHO) played daemon army has no problem catching your vehicles with fiends, then hit and running after you assault them through the wreckage then horrors open up on your exposed squads [range is 18" btw]

Anyways, I'd say watch out for the daemon, Slaanesh is meant to kill Eldar, dark or bright [lances, lol] so watch out]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/640292.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/640292.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? cc , but seriously nobody plays deamons . it's just stupid , deamons in a sci fi game ?
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/640686.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/640686.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/640793.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/640793.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? just the idiot that brought demons into wh40k . he should be crucified .
seriously i have no problem with a csm + demons list , actually i would like to play such lists.
but pure demons belongs to warhammer fantasy. as far as fluff goes , demons shouldn't even be able to materialize on a battlefield without any humans .
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/640969.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/640969.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641047.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641047.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? csm codex to be able to do a lost and damned list. with new units like cultists , very cheap for 6 points per modell , you nead to sacrifice 1 modell to materialize 1 demon , but deamons would be a bit cheaper to make up for the loss . greater demons would nead something bigger as a sacrifice , like a 50 points " chaos priest " or something like that .
also there should be a vehicle limit .

sorry for hijacking your thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641132.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641132.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? DE?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641218.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641218.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar?
but be sure that ALL our cool things will be gone if we get a new 'dex. gw always make other armys worse so that the marines will have it easier . come on , think about it : marines get all the updates , every marine chapter that got it's own codex is stupid except black templars ( to encourage people to play vanilla which is alot better then the chapters ). and they get the best support ( they got the first codex in 5th ed ). chaos lost their cool deamons that differed them from marines , ig's ogryns got gakky as far as i heard , warp spiders lost their haywire grenades ect.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641238.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? DE are still a good army, albeit very dated.

Some of my favorite games where between my friend's DE and my IG, great match up



Personally, I will considering making a small force of DE assuming GW ever puts out new warrior models and a new codex (that doesn't blow).
Just remember, the warrior is still a very good troop! You get a lot for the points and they pack great firepower.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641313.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641313.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? de warriors are THE best troop choice in 40k .
you gotta love i5 ws4 bs4 and their very cheap 8points price . imo just as good as dire avengers but cheaper]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641328.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641328.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar?
omar wrote:yea , i even dare to say that de warriors are THE best troop choice in 40k .
you gotta love i5 ws4 bs4 and their very cheap 8points price . imo just as good as dire avengers but cheaper


They are good, but don't beat out Ork Boyz, SoB, or (hopefully) the new guardsman ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641520.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641520.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641537.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641537.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? DE units are nasty.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641597.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641597.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? gw doesn't f*ck up this codex]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641601.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641601.page GMT So...Dark Eldar? DS), though trickier to play. A Wyche cult army is fun and themed, but hard to play as you pretty much crumple outside of combat.

Haemonculi are great HQs, with destructors and if necessary poisoned blades/scissorhands. Warrior/Raider squads should have splinter cannons and blasters, Wyche squads should have shredders. All units in a DE army should have Raider transports, unless they are not able to take them or you have a specific reason to take a large (16+) warrior squad (such as a webway portal carrier).

DE are hard to win with if you're just starting out, but in the hands of a capable player they're quite deadly.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641845.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/641845.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar?
omar wrote:they easily outshoot boyz , guards really have no chance . sisters , well they are the only better ones


Orks do more than shoot


We'll see about Guard in two months ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/642101.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/642101.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/642812.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/642812.page GMT So...Dark Eldar? DE are not that good. They never win any tournaments. The new TLOS completely screwed their skimmers. Ordnance eats just about all their units alive. Night shield is highly overrated... Are your skimmers going to hug the far table edge all game? Lance bounce against high AV due to the new armor penetration table. I never have any problems beating DE with SM.

G]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/642846.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/642846.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/642925.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/642925.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar?
omar wrote:we can run from orks , cheap transports ???


Lootas eat Raiders ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643049.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643049.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643090.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643090.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643126.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643126.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643147.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643147.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643174.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643174.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar?
a real bargain !]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643182.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643182.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643238.page GMT So...Dark Eldar?
G]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643361.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643361.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? btw , what have mandrakes got to do with grotesques ?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643409.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643409.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar?
Mandrakes, can't shoot effectively, can't fight in close combat effectively, and can’t hold objectives. Waste of points.

Jetbikes can't shoot effectively, can't fight in close combat effectively, and can’t hold objectives. Waste of points.

Other waste of points units:
Wyches, with no more Sweeping Advance, no good no more.
Hellions were always a waste of points.
Scourges, an expensive Heavy Weapon squad with light armor and jump packs. You do the math.

That’s half the army. Only a few war gear items are useful. BTW, ALWAYS give your Archon a Shadow field and Combat Drugs, or leave him at home.

Omar, I admire your enthusiasm, but you are engaging in Theoryhammer.

s1gns, you should listen to all advice, not just the advice you want to hear. Yes, at small point levels you can build a Dark Eldar army your friends will get tired of playing against. They will either loose to you, or figure out what to bring to beat you, and you will not win another game. And, you wont loose because of missions. You will loose because you wont have anything left on the table.

If you guys play 2X2 games, don’t even bother. Dark Eldar are the one army that can be destroyed in one round of shooting from a same size opponent (even after you just shot him up). That’s why you have to dance around. In a multi-player game, you have no room to dance. What will happen in every multiplayer game is you and your partner can’t eliminate half your opponent’s force in one turn, but your opponents realize you can’t hide from them both and they can eliminate your Dark Eldar on the first turn. You cannot survive shooting from two armies. Then they take on your opponent at their leisure.

If you keep playing small games, and DE are you second army, I suppose they would be fun. But, understand you will win big, and loose even bigger.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643666.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643666.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? DE to be a difficult army to use, but I've always had an interest in trying them out. I've been considering just getting a small army. If I find them fun and I play well I may expand, but as of now I have too much to deal with right now. (Finishing my BA and Ork armies.)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643750.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643750.page GMT So...Dark Eldar? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643777.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/643777.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar?
s1gns wrote:Out of curiosity, how am I listening to what I only want to hear? I ask what I wanted to know, I've received answers, and I've gotten many arguments that they have many weak points. Im not ignoring posts based on, "I don't want to hear this."

Because you seem to agree with Omar's every post. And, Omar is giving a best-case picture, which is fine as long as you know that. I just wanted to make sure you were looking at the big picture.

s1gns wrote:I've always considered DE to be a difficult army to use, but I've always had an interest in trying them out. I've been considering just getting a small army. If I find them fun and I play well I may expand, but as of now I have too much to deal with right now. (Finishing my BA and Ork armies.)

You didn't say this before, which is fine. You probably get more advice if people think you are contemplating Dark Eldar as you first army. If they will be your third army, that's a different story. If you like them, you really don’t need any other reason to acquire them. If they weren't so dang ugly, I might do the same thing.



]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/644013.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/644013.page GMT So...Dark Eldar? Lol, what's funny is that I LOVE the models. Sure, they offer practically no cool customizations imo. I just think they're sexy dave ya know? The Orks I have been thinking of selling, but I'm only 9 Kans and a few Lootas away from having a full army. I might as well keep it, otherwise it all would've been a waste.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/644122.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/644122.page GMT So...Dark Eldar?
Another unit that sucks are Hellions. Scourges are one of the worst... there is practically no advantage to having jump infantry that can't fire heavy weapons the same turn they move. Raiders, Ravagers and Warrior squads are the best units to pack heat. Warriors are actually a great unit for a troop choice. Archons with Incubi in a Raider are also solid. I think warp beasts with a beast master is a solid choice for a shock troop... they are fast and expendable.

If you really want to play DE I would run two webway portals... This is where a grotsque could be of some value. To me this is the only way to play the army competively. You can keep most of your army in reserve then fly out of the portals with your skimmers and assault the same turn. This keeps your opponent from shooting down your paper airplanes before you can assault. If you decide to run a WWP list then wyches can work. They are great at tying up enemy assault units and can beat down genestealers... That's nothing to sneeze at either.

Talos... I am on the fence regarding this unit... You need two of them for them to do anything but I would rather put the points somewhere else.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/644445.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/644445.page GMT So...Dark Eldar? WWP portal army. The main benefit is hosing enemy rapid fire.

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omar wrote:your vehicles are open topped . this is our blessing and our curse . this means we get penned by a bolter , but it also means that we can shoot while being in our vehicles . this gives us survivability . and we got the cheapest transports

but be sure that ALL our cool things will be gone if we get a new 'dex. gw always make other armys worse so that the marines will have it easier


I absolutely have to disagree with this statement. Yes, Marines are always the first codex in an edition, but this gives them the handicap of being slowly outclassed by all the new shinies that come with codex creep. Apparently GW was trying to REVERSE codex creep when DA & BA came out, but obviously with orks and Daemons, this was overrruled by the profit margins. Marines are and always will be a mediocre codex; The skill required to play it is entirely dependent upon the skill of your opponent.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/644682.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/644682.page GMT So...Dark Eldar? EL-

Oh, my bad. Yeah they're actually really good. The only thing is their ass-ugly models.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/644756.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/644756.page GMT So...Dark Eldar? DE (since 3rd ed to the present), that DE can eat marines, if played properly...remember that all of their armor and vehicles are made of wet paper mache.

Against Mech Eldar (my main list) DE suffer big time. The Eldar have tougher tanks and tons of S6 firepower that will shoot you to pieces..all before they get out to finish you off.

My orks (thanks to 5th and my aversion to Nob bikers) are primarily gunline, with Nobs and Boyz in 2 BWs as an assault force.... I actually feel bad about how fast they can gundown DE...lootas and killakans will be your worst enemy. 2 turns of shooting is usualy enough to gut most of a DE force.

Honstly, DE (and Eldar) can be complicated to play. Throw in old codexes and it gets even more complicated. I would wait unitl the new DE codex (and more importantly minis) then start fresh ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/644779.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/644779.page GMT So...Dark Eldar?
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s1gns wrote:Lol, what's funny is that I LOVE the models. Sure, they offer practically no cool customizations imo. I just think they're sexy dave ya know? The Orks I have been thinking of selling, but I'm only 9 Kans and a few Lootas away from having a full army. I might as well keep it, otherwise it all would've been a waste.

And I am loving my new Ork army. Go figure...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/644929.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/644929.page GMT So...Dark Eldar?
s1gns wrote:Lol, what's funny is that I LOVE the models. Sure, they offer practically no cool customizations imo. I just think they're sexy dave ya know? The Orks I have been thinking of selling, but I'm only 9 Kans and a few Lootas away from having a full army. I might as well keep it, otherwise it all would've been a waste.




you are the most perverse guy i have ever seen ...
but seriously , the modells really look stupid imho]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/644976.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/644976.page GMT Re:So...Dark Eldar? lol?) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/645092.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/234765/645092.page GMT