<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "harlequins , have they got any use ?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net harlequins , have they got any use ? think about it , you have to pay a total of 22p for a unit that can do rending , but rending got extremely nerfed in 5th ed , they would do a worse job than banshees , which have a lesser price .

any thoughts ?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/646958.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/646958.page GMT harlequins , have they got any use ?

Are they not a good close combat support unit,maybe just to stop or fend off enemy units or troop movements.(Sorry again if that doesn't help I've never played Eldar before.)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/647046.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/647046.page GMT harlequins , have they got any use ?
Also they still perform a decent anti horde role.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/647052.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/647052.page GMT harlequins , have they got any use ? Harlequines, Eldar's glass hammer, on the charge have S4 [wow, mum look at me go], have the ever nerfed rendering and more attacks then sense, with a high WS, hitting is the fun part, trying to wont is like trying to kill yourself with a blunt spoon. However with around 35 attacks with a full unit, 5-6 of with which are PW [troup master] if you were smart can help cut down a few.

They do however do well at hiding with the shadowseer.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/647077.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/647077.page GMT Re:harlequins , have they got any use ? PW hits are less important while with smaller squads, the fewer amount of rends can be offset by those PW attacks when dealing with a large squad of MEQ's

Always try to have a dooming farseer somwhere

Always always use a shadowseer. You shouldnt use one if thier in a transport but you should use banshees if youve got a spare (elite slot) transport kicking around. The ability to waste entire volleys via the VoT's rule is very useful and a good psych tool.

Concider the usefullness of a small 5-6man squad with a kisses, a shadowseer and a death jester. Small, slightly shooty, quite offensive, not too expensive. Will survive compared to other expenditures of those kinda points in the eldar dex (cept a 5man pathfinder team)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/647216.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/647216.page GMT Re:harlequins , have they got any use ?
Long story short, they are most definitely usable, just not the defacto choice that they used to be.

Falcons are still the preferred delivery system, to me anyways. I forwent the shadow seer as I thought it was unnecessary if they are Falcon bound.

Essentially, you have one good round of combat out of them, so you really have to choose your combats wisely. Once they do their damage, they tend to not survive the following rounds.

So give them a troupe master and kisses. Cast doom on your target, and charge away. Even if they only stop an advancing unit, they have justified their existence. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/647229.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/647229.page GMT harlequins , have they got any use ?
The best facet still remains their 'you can't shoot at me' rule which should be abused for cover saves at all possible opportunities.

If you insist on using them as a big squadron of HtH death, be careful where you place them when you assault; if you do it right, you can kill most of the squad, pile into the survivors at the end and then hit-and-run next turn. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/647255.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/647255.page GMT Re:harlequins , have they got any use ?
Mahu wrote:
Once they do their damage, they tend to not survive the following rounds.


This would be true, if they didnt come with the hit & run USR. This means they can move off 3d6" which if they have a shadowseer (which is wasted mostly if they came in a falcon..and dragons or DA's are much better placed in falcons anyways) means a chance at life - ive seen people shoot at other units, even when theyve been only about 10" away, because they dont like the idea of wasting shots entirely.

Edit: Basically all of thier special rules require them to be on thier feet or/and be able to get the charge.. which is alot more difficult disembarking from transports. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/647266.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/647266.page GMT harlequins , have they got any use ? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/647850.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/647850.page GMT harlequins , have they got any use ? WS, and Str 4 on the charge makes them really dangerous. Hitting on 3s first is so very very valuable.

Edit: And if you are so inclined, they do not need kisses. Without them they are still decent.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/648389.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/648389.page GMT Re:harlequins , have they got any use ?
To me they fall into the void between Banshees (MeQ killers) and Scorps (Horde Killers).

So if you have them, all three units, and know what your opponent is fielding...take them as your 2nd CC unit. With scorps if your facing a horde, and with banshees if there is lots of armorsaves out there. But if yah don't already have them...get the other two units first.

They seem balanced compared with the other two CC units...which is in an odd way...UnEldar.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/648394.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/648394.page GMT Re:harlequins , have they got any use ?
Rangerrob wrote:If yah have the minis yes...

To me they fall into the void between Banshees (MeQ killers) and Scorps (Horde Killers).

So if you have them, all three units, and know what your opponent is fielding...take them as your 2nd CC unit. With scorps if your facing a horde, and with banshees if there is lots of armorsaves out there. But if yah don't already have them...get the other two units first.

They seem balanced compared with the other two CC units...which is in an odd way...UnEldar.


But they have tons and tons of special rules, which is very "eldar."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/648681.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/648681.page GMT Re:harlequins , have they got any use ? although rending has been nerfed , they still EAT marines ( especially terminators ) alive.
gotta reconsider them]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/648994.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/648994.page GMT harlequins , have they got any use ? MC's. It's only a 5+, but is an invul. They'll basically always hit first and with rending they can do a bit. Especially if the target is doomed, which is ALWAYS, as everyone has said, almost mandatory. Anti-horde capacity is good with the hit and run... Without it they're dead, but they're very good at shock tactics and assaulting small numbers of very elite troops or big creatures.

An example: A unit of 5 charge a carnifex. They hit first and need 3's. They have 20 attacks, lets say 12 hit and on a bad day only get 2 wounds via rending. The fex needs 4's to hit and he's probably going to have only 4 attacks to start with. They'll lose one, maybe 2, stay in combat, and definitely kill the beast next turn.

Get them in with a horde of orks or even marines and they'll 5+ will be totally wasted. It's all about numbers of attacks and if you have only a few going against them they'll prove their worth most of the time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/649222.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/649222.page GMT Re:harlequins , have they got any use ?
VoT is a decent deturent that lets them footslog unlike Scorps or Banshees (who need transports for protection)

I vew them as weaker to shooting than either Banshees or Scorps because they only have a 5+ inv and are T3, so they won't survive rapid fire if they fail to get stuck in

I would recomend Banshees and Scorps first, depending on your enemy, then take a unit of Quins if you have the space.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/649245.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/649245.page GMT harlequins , have they got any use ? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/649314.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/649314.page GMT harlequins , have they got any use ?
Here's how it is now: You hit, get nothing for all your 6's, roll to wound and then try to get 6. Imagine genestealers getting a 6 to hit and getting to skip the second bit of mathhammer: Wounding rolls. But they guys who don't rend still get their normal wounding, so you on average got a lot more rending back then (at least for me). ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/649338.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/649338.page GMT Re:harlequins , have they got any use ? My squad of 6 harlequins killed a 10-man squad of Black Templars w/ a terminator chaplain. Afterwards, they proceeded to explode the approaching BT dreadnaught.

Here is their downside: the explosion from the dreadnaught killed them all.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/649366.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/649366.page GMT harlequins , have they got any use ?
Moncalcruiser wrote:Hey, what do you guys mean rending got nerfed, it seems ok, did it used to be btr..


Yes, old Rending was basically: Any roll to hit of 6 automatically wounds at AP1 (power weapon). Other hits roll to wound as normal.

This resulted in a lot more overall wounds and a few more AP1 (power weapon) wounds.

If you can afford to play a unit of 10 Harlies including a Shadowseer and Troupe Master (all with Kiss except the TM who has a power weapon) then you're fielding one of the most potent assault units in 40k. They hit harder than Banshees/Scorpions against just about everything. The only problem is that they cost a hell of a lot more.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/649996.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/649996.page GMT Re:harlequins , have they got any use ?
Exarch_Nektel wrote:Here is an example of ho wthay are good.
My squad of 6 harlequins killed a 10-man squad of Black Templars w/ a terminator chaplain. Afterwards, they proceeded to explode the approaching BT dreadnaught.

Here is their downside: the explosion from the dreadnaught killed them all.


QFT

Quality.

Perfectly surmises the potentail to win and fail with harlequins. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/650091.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/650091.page GMT harlequins , have they got any use ? 3D6 into the nearby woods.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/651935.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/651935.page GMT harlequins , have they got any use ? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/651953.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/651953.page GMT harlequins , have they got any use ? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/652118.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/652118.page GMT Re:harlequins , have they got any use ? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/652330.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/652330.page GMT harlequins , have they got any use ? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/652486.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/652486.page GMT harlequins , have they got any use ?
Iron_Chaos_Brute wrote:The thing with harlies is that they used to be able to clear the kill zone and not get swung back at. They can't do that any more (rending nerf + defenders react + engaged at start=get to fight).


eh, if a unit of 10 with Kisses/Troupe Master power weapon charge a unit of 10 marines, the marines all die before they get to swing back (the kill zone is cleared because the unit is completely cleared ). The issue here is that the Harlies are now in the middle of nowhere ready to be shot down/counter charged by something very mean. The rending nerf hampers them quite a bit, but it isn't the end of the world as they still bring 4 attacks each at str4 on the charge.

Otherwise, the 5+ invulnerable isn't bad if they're Fortuned.

Basically, they're still rather heavy hitting, they just need some Farseer support a bit more now than before (like the rest of the Eldar army lol).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/652532.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/235279/652532.page GMT