http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net of course those Veteran, Warbosses, Imperial Force Commanders, Ethereals and of course those chaos warlords
So if anyone has anything in there bag of tricks please share we all need a little help now and then. If everyone
could put in one thing we would all have an "Un-beatable" army. Thanks ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/236643/668054.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/236643/668054.page GMT CC, just send all the wounds to your crap, and kill things with the goodies, just tarpit the hell out of them. Lash oblit lists, I really dont see how people have problems with this list, I usually manage to stay out of range of the sorc, DP can be anoying, but he cant lash if hes in CC, and oblits are so fun to kill with DS units, yes yes, leave them bac there, oh Im sorry, did I just drop my dual assault cannon termie squad next to them, oh, one squad gone? A lot of elite lists have one major flaw in common with each other, they all have expensive armies with low unit count. standard overwhelm ruins a lot of these lists, theres only so much shots you can put downrange with only 30 guys.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/236643/668107.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/236643/668107.page GMT Point Advantage- In newer codexes squads and upgrades are cheaper than they have been in the past.

Rule Advantage- These codexes are written with the most resent rule set in mind

It depends on players to take it from there
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I find movement is the overlooked phase. If you can out maneuver the opponent then you have the upper hand even if they are rolling with the latest 'ard boys list.

also most beasty units like termis or DPs, HQ's of all types, can usually be peppered to death. Focus fire for a round with lots of dice and watch them fail saves.

tank spam a problem? melta rule is the answer. either that or MCs hahaha]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/236643/668264.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/236643/668264.page GMT DPs only have 4 wounds, technically one full rapid firing unit could kill him outright, or one of those and some help. Just recognize the keystone units to the list, and take em out, then the rest comes crumbling down.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/236643/668274.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/236643/668274.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/236643/668406.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/236643/668406.page GMT HQ
Space Marine Captain
-Storm Bolter
-Lightning Claw
-Artificer Armor
133pts
ELITES
Sternguard Veterns
-6 Veterns
-2 Combi-meltas
-1 Vetern Sergeant
-Power Weapon
-Rhino
210pts
Dreadnought
-Assault Cannon
115pts
Dreadnought
-Twin-linked Lascannon
-Missle Launcher
145pts
TROOPS
Tactical Squad
-9 Marines
-Heavy Bolter
-Plasma gun
-1 Vetern Sergeant
-Storm bolter
-Rhino
225pts
Tactical Squad
-5 Marines
-1 Vetern Sergeant
-Power fist
-Razorback
171pts
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