Jihan wrote:I would suggest getting the codex so you do know what is legal and what is not first.

Deuce11 wrote:This is a very awkward list but hey, to each his own!

BlackDracoSLC wrote:The awkwardness mainly comes from trying to take several smaller squads that be wiped off the board easily. The list gives up KPs pretty easily.

BlackDracoSLC wrote:Here's my suggested list based on what units you'd like:

HQ
Demon Prince with MoT, Wings, Warptime, Winds of Chaos

ELITES
4 Termies and 1 Termie Champion, with Reaper AC, Chainfist and Icon of Chaos Glory

7 Chosen with 5 meltas and Icon of Chaos Glory.

HEAVY SUPPORT
Defiler with CCW and Reaper AC
Land Raider with DP (I would put the Berzerkers in here but you could also use the termies in here)

TROOPS
9 Berzerkers with a Skull Champion with a powerfist
8 Thousand Sons with an Aspiring Sorc with Bolt of Change and Melta bombs
7 Noise Marines with 6 Sonic Blasters and a Blastmaster with a NM Champ with a doom siren

2 Rhinos with no upgrade that can go with the Noise Marines, TS or the Chosen, depending on what you'd like.

Comes out to exactly 1850

BlackDracoSLC wrote:The most common morale tests are when you lose CC and when you lose 25% of your squad due to shooting. Both the Chosen and the Termies would need to take a morale test after losing 2 models to shooting.

In CC if you lose combat, your roll is modified by the difference in how many wounds were caused by each side. For example if you lost combat by 3 with your Chosen they'd need to take a morale check of an effect Ld of 7. If they fail it, the rest of them COULD get wiped out in a single dice roll off.

You could drop the icons and not see a huge difference, but the lack of a And They Shall Know No Fear rule like regular SM means failed morale checks are more dangerous for Chaos SMs. And it's only 10 pts and would also assist deep striking the Termies if you choose to use that rule. If you did want to drop them, you could put combi weapons on some of the vehicles if you like.

EDIT: You could DS the DP, but I would simply have him advance behind the Land Raider for the first turn or so for cover, then have him fly over to whichever squad you hate most and have him eat them. Remember you have to use Warptime at the very beginning of your turn, even before you move, so don't forget to use it! And Warptime also let's you reroll the wounds from Wind of Chaos, meaning you've got a flamer template that ignores armor and cover saves that you can reroll wounds on. It's pretty brutal to have that hit a squad and THEN eat a warptimed charge from a DP.

BlackDracoSLC wrote:That DP is 205 - You may have forgoten the 20 pts for wings or MoT.

With a Termie Champ, a chainfist, IoCG and a Reaper AC, the Termie squad should be 210

The Ts squad should be 274, I think you may have missed the 5 pts for Melta bombs.

I did forget to mention adding dozer blade on the LR to bring it up to 245, but you can toss those 5 pts someplace else if you want.

BlackDracoSLC wrote:Not surprisingly, this is a close setup to what I run.

Your spearhead will be the LR full of Zerkers with a DP hiding behind it. Gun it 12" straight forward and pop smoke. Next turn you should be within charge range. If you can, only move 6 inches and take a LC shot at something - the reduced BS from DP doesn't hurt the LR as much due to all the weapons being Twin Linked.

The DP will hide then pop out to kill stuff - try to not have it out in the open ipossible, even with T5, 4 wounds and +3/+4 saves, it can get taken down pretty easily with sustained fire. again don't forget warptime! I do all the time.

The termies I'd use as infantry/light armor killer and footslog them. I love the way the Reaper AC looks as well, but you want to trade it in for Combi-meltas for the whole squad (only 5 pts a model!) and deep strike them next to armor for suicide melta squad.

Chosen are great. They can infiltrate or outflank if you give them a rhino. If your opponent sets up some long range dudes on the edges of the board, keep em in a rhino and outflank, otherwise consider inflitrating them next to tasty tanks and give their rhino to the TS

The Thousands Sons I'd park on an objective and pew pew stuff. NMs can advance and hold an objective, but they can get shot up pretty bad. Make sure their first volley hard. With a 24" range regardless of movement that's not too hard to do.

The Defiler can move whilst dropping large blasts everywhere. Move it up each turn until you're close to something you can tear apart, then chance running since it's fleet. One thing to note is that it is Init 3, meaning Dreadnaughts (the closest counterpoint to it) will get all it's attacks against the Defiler first. Just keep it's lower init in mind and you should be good.

Deuce11 wrote:the chosen may want flamers instead against a horde...

the zerkers should prolly be in the LR to make sure they get their furious charge

warptime does not apply to the whole army

combi bolters become regular bolters after using the special weapon's single use

against IG i assume your melta chosen would have a huge role if there are a lot of tanks, which is likely. I don't have my codex so i don't remember the stats on the noise marine weaponry... some1 else could prolly help you better