<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Dark Elf 2250- first try (unrestricted movement)"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Dark Elf 2250- first try (unrestricted movement) DE list. Before I go on to explain the list I'll mention what motivated many of the choices.

As a 40k player first, I 'sort of' wanted to take that approach to fantasy. I'm looking for unrestricted movement and would prefer to win combat, not necessarily by combat res, but by killing things. (giving me a high combat res) The fact that every unit in the army can shoot on the move is sort of an added bonus.

I also really like Chariots. I know they're vulnerable to high str hits however so rather than go with a single...I'm maxing out my specials and including a hero on one. If I'm unlucky and get the Lord's Chariot splintered possibly due to an early cannon shot, he's just as comfortable with his gear loadout in the largish unit of spearelves.

Shooting Chariots with cannons is fine and dandy, but to increase the target choices for my enemy....Hydras.

DR's place in the list is self explanitory.

Please tell me what you all think. Any criticism is welcome.

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ARMY LIST

Dreadlord-Chariot, HA, SDC, X-Bow, Hydra Blade, Potion of STR, Pendant of Khaeleth

LV 2 Sorceress- Pegasus, Darkstar Cloak, Disp Scroll
LV 2 Sorceress- Pegasus
LV 2 Sorceress(with SpearElves)- Sacrificial Dagger, Pearl of infinite Bleakness

(5) Dark Riders w/ X-bows and Musician
(5) Dark Riders w/ X-bows and Musician
(27) Spear Elves w/ Full Command
(10) Reapeater X-bowmen w/ Guardsman (had a left-over 5pts but couldnt shave enough for sheilds)

Chariot
Chariot
Chariot
Chariot

Hydra
Hydra

=2250 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/236954/672556.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/236954/672556.page GMT Dark Elf 2250- first try (unrestricted movement)
The potion is IMO a waste of points. If you want this list you really need to go with more anvils( 20+Spear Elves) so your hammer units(chariots) have something to hit against when they attempt to crush enemy units. One Hydra could be dropped for another unit of Spear shield elves. One Hydra attracts a lot of fire on it's own.

Good Luck with Dark Elves as well as WHFB in general. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/236954/673307.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/236954/673307.page GMT Dark Elf 2250- first try (unrestricted movement) DE chariots purely because of it. I do however really like the idea of all the flying Sorceresses.

Frankly I see little point in the champion upgrade in the X-bows. He's still hitting on 4's most of the time and wont help anything in combat.

I think the army has a chance though as long as you dont bomb your stupidity rolls. The very last time I ever used a DE chariot it moved a total of 8 inches the entire game....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/236954/673550.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/236954/673550.page GMT Dark Elf 2250- first try (unrestricted movement)
hardrockfreak1337 wrote:To be honest in Fantasy you will not be winning very much by killing. You can try, but will not be very successful.


So multiple chariots hitting the same blocked unit or cavalry unit wont win a combat? 8 attacks with hatred at STR 4 and 2d6 +2 impact hits not enough to win a combat?

The potion is IMO a waste of points. If you want this list you really need to go with more anvils( 20+Spear Elves) so your hammer units(chariots) have something to hit against when they attempt to crush enemy units. One Hydra could be dropped for another unit of Spear shield elves. One Hydra attracts a lot of fire on it's own.

Good Luck with Dark Elves as well as WHFB in general.


With that potion, Hydra Sword, Hatred and Chariot....the Lord should be able to easily kill or make run just about anything he touches shouldnt he?

Tizz wrote:You are definitely not going to have fun dealing with that much Stupidity, I've sworn off DE chariots purely because of it. I do however really like the idea of all the flying Sorceresses.


I was thinking about that...originally I was going to go with the Lord on a flying beast or something...I decided to keep his Leadership 10 within 12" of as many chariots as possible instead by making him one of them.

Frankly I see little point in the champion upgrade in the X-bows. He's still hitting on 4's most of the time and wont help anything in combat.

There really isnt much point to him...after the list was built, I had 5 pts left over...thats where it went. 2 shots with repeater at BS 5 was all I saw in it.

I think the army has a chance though as long as you dont bomb your stupidity rolls. The very last time I ever used a DE chariot it moved a total of 8 inches the entire game....


Leadership 10....
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This sort of thing is going to have a lot of problems in the long term with a number of matchups:

Dwarfs - S7 Bolt Throwers, Cannons

Empire - Cannons, Steam Tanks, War Alter, etc.

Daemons - Because they can get lots of S7 (though much of it is unreliable from spells, but the characters can/will have it). And because when you charge, their combo of Ward Saves w/ their Instability tests means your chariots can get bogged down and then stomped on by a counter charge.

Vampires - VC will tarpit you, and again will counter charge and win by static res.

I'm not going to get into the rest, but IMO I think that if you were building this for effectiveness you need to re-think it. If you're building it because you love you some mother F*@%!ing chariots, then go nuts. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/236954/673672.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/236954/673672.page GMT Re:Dark Elf 2250- first try (unrestricted movement)
Don't play with the fear of S7 shooting. The armies that get it are generally bad, so are rare at event in these days of VC, DE, and daemons.

You don't need static resolution with DE. The people who tell you other wise are correct with most armies about needing it (as in most armies aren't competitive...). But here killing things esp with multiple charges and impact hits is more than enough. Add in flank charges with US 5 or more (hydras, dark riders) and you will laugh at the people with their plodding full CR blocks.

Don't buy shields for your bowmen, even if you free up points. It would also be a good idea to make your spear elves smaller, with no command. After all, their purpose to die at the hands of a dagger, why make them a tempting target? Then you would be able to get more dark riders, either by expanding unit size, or trimming points off the characters for a new unit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/236954/673842.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/236954/673842.page GMT