<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "[1500] Sternguard Spam"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net [1500] Sternguard Spam http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/682287.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/682287.page GMT Re:[1500] Sternguard Spam AS scoring units and you will still need the Compulsory 2 Troops to go with Kantor.

T-]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/682292.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/682292.page GMT Re:[1500] Sternguard Spam
Drop a unit of Sternguard and split one of the units up into 2 5man squads with seperate pods also give the 5 man squads as many combi-meltas as you can get in.

2 Tac Squads with Melta/Missile Launcher should be sufficient, no point in paying for a weapon that even when you have podded in won't be used for a couple of turns.

Any remaining points can be spent on a librarian to gate the big unit around and Kantor go with the small unit of sternguard to augment it.

Or depending on remaining points an Ironclad in a pod and a cheap master of the forge with a power weapon in a unit or something.

Outflanking scouts with shotguns and a heavy bolter are also worth looking into, they provide a cheap amount of firepower on the move and can score, can be used to secure an objective that the sternguard have wiped clear.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/682300.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/682300.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam
Well, that won't be too hard to fix.

I can toss in a Tac Squad and trim the Sternguard to two units, with maybe a Scout Squad to squat on the homefront.

REVISED LIST:

HQ:
Pedro Kantor
[175]

Elites:
(10) Sternguard
w/ Power Fist, 4x Combi-Melta, 3x Combi-Flamer
Drop Pod
[345]

(5) Sternguard
w/ Power Fist, 5x Combi-Melta
Drop Pod
[210]

(5) Sternguard
w/ Power Fist, 5x Combi-Melta
Drop Pod
[210]

Troops:
(10) Tactical Squad
w/ Flamer, Multimelta, Power Fist
Drop Pod
[230]

(10) Tactical Squad
w/ Flamer, Multimelta, Power Fist
Drop Pod
[230]

Fast Attack:
2x Attack Bikes
w/ Multimelta
[100]

[1500]

Look better? Look competative?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/682367.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/682367.page GMT Re:[1500] Sternguard Spam I think you'll be having really hard time vs hordes and 3 combi-flamers aren't going to help a lot.
Mobility armies will also be a pain.
I would drop the power fists to maybe add another attack-bike or a whirlwind.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/682985.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/682985.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam
I would take 6x combimeltas in the 10 man SG unit, so you can combat squad and still have 3 combimeltas per CS (3 melta shots at 6" range should average a dead tank of any armor value).

The Attack Bikes feel pretty out of place to me, and I feel like you should find something anti-horde in place of them (you have enough melta/AT fire coming out of the pods that the MMs on the attack bikes feel redundant).

You could consider dropping the bikes for a Librarian with Gate and Null Zone, and then trying to find 10 points for a locator beacon on one of the SG pods. The Lib rolls with the big unit (if it combat squads it picks one of the CSs and stays with them) and uses Gate to bounce around the pod so they can stay out of prolonged combats and keep shooting for longer since the guns are their strength (even with Kantors +1 attack bubble the bolter rounds are quite good).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/683108.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/683108.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam
You may want replace the attack bikes with an Assault squad to help out when you stuck in CC.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/683238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/683238.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam MM, giving me anti-Horde and anti-Armor. Thoughts?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/683259.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/683259.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/683286.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/683286.page GMT Re:[1500] Sternguard Spam
I love pedro

I love power fist sergeants close to pedro

I don't know if you really need combi-flamers. I know they put out better than the dragonfire rounds in the right spots, and if you've got play experience that makes you like them, then keep going for it.

I also feel like those attack bikes might be out of position and not screened very well in this particular list.

I might just swap them out for a thunderfire cannon straight up.

Is your list competitive? Absolutely. Only problem you are going to have is landing right next to horde orks. That's why I'm suggesting the Tfire.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/683437.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/683437.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam
I like the list because it is similar to what I am doing :-p I have to admit that I am a combat squad junkie, so I would probably just end up have 2 squads of 10. Also, power fists are awesomely flavorful for Crimson Fists. Since I started playing them I have sworn to say "prepare to be Fisted" before every game which is a bit... awkward and the inclusion of power fists makes it a little more legit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/683507.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/683507.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam
Does the TFire Cannon really work? Seriously? Other than that, I might try a small squad of Scouts just to hold objectives or tie down units. Not sure what.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/684105.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/684105.page GMT Re:[1500] Sternguard Spam
I think all of the points tied up in power fists are a complete waste. Sternguard aren't made for assault, and neither are regular tac marines.

Pedro isn't very survivable at all in close combat, and the squad he is in looks like it's made for use with combat squads, which hurts his survivability even more.

I've had a lot of fun running a 10 man sternguard unit with Lysander attached, with a bunch of combi-meltas. Lysander twin links their bolters, and gives the unit a lot of survivability.

With the upcoming IG codex hurting reserve based armies a lot, I don't think so many drop pods is the way to go (I would probably only use 1, at most around 3).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/684168.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/684168.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam Tac Squads down on objectives or drop the Sternguard in against a hard target, etc. It always varies, though. Since I get three Pods, I have a lot of options.

Power Fists are never a waste. Ever. Nothing ties down a unit like a Dread or something nasty. You want to take it out, a PFist is the way to do it. I would hate my expensive Sternguard to buy it to a Dread when a PFist gives them a shot to get away.

Pedro can go anywhere with any group, including a Tac Squad. Just depends on where I want to attach him.

I don't see how Drop Pod armies are hurt by IG. Even with a modifier against my reserve, I still get 3 Pods first turn. That means up to 4 Dead Tanks (Combat Squad w/ 2 smaller Sternguards shooting Meltas). That is a hurting on IG, no matter how you slice it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/684221.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/684221.page GMT Re:[1500] Sternguard Spam http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/684233.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/684233.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/684264.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/684264.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam dev squad) then you fortify the ruin that they start the game in which gives them a nice 3+ cover save. In objective games I typically will put one of the objectives in or near that area.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/684266.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/684266.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam
HQ:
Pedro Kantor
[175]

Elites:
(10) Sternguard
w/ Power Fist, 7x Combi-Melta
Drop Pod
[345]

(5) Sternguard
w/ Power Fist, 5x Combi-Melta
Drop Pod
[210]

(5) Sternguard
w/ Power Fist, 5x Combi-Melta
Drop Pod
[210]

Troops:
(10) Tactical Squad
w/ Flamer, Multimelta, Power Fist
Drop Pod
[230]

(10) Tactical Squad
w/ Flamer, Multimelta, Power Fist
Drop Pod
[230]

[1400]

I have 100pts left and it can go into a Librarian (Null? Gate? Dome?) or a Thunderfire Cannon. If I drop four Combis, I can get a trio of Heavy Bolter Attack Bikes, instead.

Thoughts?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/685617.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/685617.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/686786.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/686786.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/686813.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/686813.page GMT Re:[1500] Sternguard Spam IG. Using tanks against board edge and then infantry radiating out, preventing a deep strike insertion close enough to do damage.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/688056.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/688056.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam CC the tanks may not be able to do much until the CC has finished.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/688184.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/688184.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam LOS, then next turn advance, shoot, and assault.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/688214.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/688214.page GMT Re:[1500] Sternguard Spam
Placing the tanks against the board edge lets you also start your infantry wall 2" from the edge. If the Deep strike tries to land in that 1" corridor (suicide) they will likely be denied all models or scatter off the board. so to protect say 2 Leman Russ Battle Tanks

4 models is all it takes at max unit coherancy to project a 12" zone for no deep strike with a 3" width (taking model base to be 1" plus the 1" to each side)

If you wanted to do it with less models you could do a grid pattern with some of the filler infantry missing. This WOULD allow you to Deep Strike into the small gap 1" x3" or so if you did it right, but whatever models couldn't fit would be lost.

Well reguardless, I think the easy answer would be to take a dreadnaught or two with lascannon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/688280.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/688280.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/688713.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/688713.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/688767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/688767.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/692807.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/692807.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam
1. Do I have tools to deal with hordes?
2. Do I have tools to deal with mech?
3. Do I have tools to grab 3-5 objectives?
4. Do I have tools to deal with CC army?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/693044.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/693044.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam 2. Tons of Meltas.
3. Combat Squad.
4. Shooting, ideally.

My big weakness seems like CC armies.

Seem about right?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/695599.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/695599.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/695661.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/695661.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam
HQ:
Pedro Kantor
[175]

Elites:
(10) Sternguard Veterans (Pedro)
w/ Lightning Claw, 5x Combi-Meltas, 3x Combi-Flamers
Drop Pod
[335]

(10) Sternguard Veterans
w/ Power Fist, 5x Combi-Meltas, 4x Combi-Flamers
Drop Pod
[350]

Ironclad Dreadnought
w/ Meltagun, Heavy Flamer
Drop Pod
[180]

Troops:
(10) Tactical Squad
w/ Flamer, Multimelta, Power Fist
Drop Pod
[230]

(10) Tactical Squad
w/ Flamer, Multimelta, Power Fist
Drop Pod
[230]

[1500]

Same concept as before, really, just a different take on it. Does this look stronger than my last list? Does it look competative?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/715927.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/715927.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam
em_en_oh_pee wrote:Does this look stronger than my last list?


I think so. At 1500 points it might be difficult for some people to handle the ironclad. It also gives you some protection against bloodcrushers. Against some armies he will die very quickly if you put him too close to their meltagun sources.

em_en_oh_pee wrote:Does it look competative?


Absolutely. Almost everything scoring, lots of answers to horde and mech. Have fun ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/716607.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/716607.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam
Just need to get the models together and all that mess. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/717483.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/717483.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/722199.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/722199.page GMT [1500] Sternguard Spam http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/722617.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/237633/722617.page GMT