<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken
How deadly would that be if given to squads of PAGK and Termie Gks. It would create an entirely new type of IG style , one that i centered around a charging force with straken giving everyone counter-attack and furious charge. It would give the Gks 5 ini and 7 str and.. that could ruin any MEQs day it would also put them on par with many assault specialist.

whats your thoughts on this guys ? i realise that this is pretty much power gaming but its an interesting idea. also since it says friendly models around 12 inch if your playing a 2v2 your buddy gets it also , am i correct?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/699842.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/699842.page GMT theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/699861.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/699861.page GMT theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken CC power. Straken has a S6 chainfist that strikes at initiative order and has a 3+ save. Creed has to issue an order to use his F-Charge ability, whilst Straken always has it on.

Yep, Straken+Grey Knights+Priest with Eviscerator+Yarrick+Primaris Psyker is going to be extremely costly, but nobody's going to think about going near it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/699891.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/699891.page GMT theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/699903.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/699903.page GMT Re:theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken too costly.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/699935.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/699935.page GMT Re:theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken ws 5 ini 4 str 7 a 5 on charges thats nothing to laugh at since its all power weaponesque. Not to mention getting counter-attack .

the question remains as the rule book states that counter-attack gets +1 attack as if they too had assaulted that turn . does it benefit furious charge also ?. Because if thats the case your getting one badass mother*** that can rip marines apart.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/699947.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/699947.page GMT Re:theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken FNP. Plus 4 ablative wounds via bodyguards. The guy is a machine (yuk yuk). Not to mention that the guy is instant death to vehicles (He is worth slightly less than 5 melta bombs).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/700008.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/700008.page GMT Re:theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken
Liquidwulfe wrote:Give him a medic, and he becomes a T4 power armor model with FNP. Plus 4 ablative wounds via bodyguards. The guy is a machine (yuk yuk). Not to mention that the guy is instant death to vehicles (He is worth slightly less than 5 melta bombs).


Except against walkers, where he's worth about 15 meltabombs. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/700448.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/700448.page GMT theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/700457.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/700457.page GMT Re:theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/700463.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/700463.page GMT theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken
Put a priest in a GKT squad and drop them in vendettas. Scout move + normal move out and assault gives you str 7 power weapons on the charge with rerolls to hit. Its pretty nasty.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/700479.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/700479.page GMT theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken FAQ'd to remove parts of the wings and tail from what counts as the 'hull' but still pretty big.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/700579.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/700579.page GMT Re:theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken Dh codex it says you can ally them to a parent army you may then select 1 hq , 2 troop and 1 fast attack i belive . so yes you can have Gks in a guard army . You can even take sisters of battle however they arent really assault specific .

Also if you were to take an eversor assasin and place him 12'' inside the range say your assault distance is still inside 12 inch you get a str 5 ini 6 assasin that can take on even the most hardcore assault specialist. You may get up to 10 attack with him.

If you get assaulted you also get counter-attack from straken so you would count as assaulting also and would get +d6 attack insted of 1 i belive ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/700871.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/700871.page GMT theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken
frgsinwntr wrote:Put a priest in a GKT squad and drop them in vendettas. Scout move + normal move out and assault gives you str 7 power weapons on the charge with rerolls to hit. Its pretty nasty.

The problem is everything there hits at I1. Even assaulting a basic guard squad allows the squad to allocate plenty of wounds to the priest before the GKT squad can hit, since he is an IC. You then have lost the reroll.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/701038.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/701038.page GMT Re:theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken Liquid thats not true the GKT strike at I 5 the NFW are +2 STR at normal I not PF that strike at I 1.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/701052.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/701052.page GMT Re:theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/701117.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/701117.page GMT Re:theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken
Liquidwulfe wrote:but really REALLY expensive.


it's the IG......... don't forget we have to capability to field more than the average army *cough*mareinz*cough* so I think sacrificing a 10 man squad or two is well worth it when you have an assault unit that almost any opponent would stay away from, if they were in their right mind.

and I like that idea I might just use that sometime.(to save SOME points, couldn't you just use regular GK marines? wouldn't be as effective, but effective nonetheless.)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/701133.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/701133.page GMT theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken GK would be scoring, so that's cool. They could wipe a squad off an objective and then hold it pretty well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/701144.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/701144.page GMT theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/701149.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/701149.page GMT theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken
If you go second they become a good counter assault unit, but guard can handle counter assault with other much cheaper methods.

Still, the various possible vendetta payload options is going to be a lot of fun. I am trying out the inquisitor and mystics in a vendi for the gynourmous sphere of ds death the huge Valk hull gives you.

Even if they faq it to reduce hull size to not include the wings ( which I strongly agree with ) its still very large.

That leaves me with two empty Vendi's in my base army so I will be playing around with various other items to throw in there. Sisters seem to be a nice cheap choice but no where near as effective as GKs or GKTs]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/701294.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/701294.page GMT Re:theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken def grenades will also pretty much cancel out the tactic so the newly IG vets i belive are equiped with them .

a note on those vets if they are near straken and get charged their grenades takes off the ennemies bonus but they get counter-attack so in the end its like if they were charging themselves.

Now all thats left to do is know if Counter-attack benefits from furious charge since technically they too are assaulting .]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/701567.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/701567.page GMT theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken
G]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/701867.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/701867.page GMT theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken
G]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/701869.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/701869.page GMT Re:theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/702278.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/702278.page GMT theoryhammer , IG + GK + straken GK's, even though they're hella expensive. On the doubles side the answer is probably Hormagaunts. People might not see the GK combo coming, but anyone worth they're salt will, so you need the right kit in the list to keep Straken very reliably alive until turn 3.

It's a pity they've jimmied the Rough Rider rules so that Straken's useless with them.

GKs in a gunship is an awesome idea too. I wonder if it's legal.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/702337.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/238884/702337.page GMT