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				<title>Are vanguard worth the points?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I am having a hard time desciding on vanguard.  They have the potential to do SOO much damage, especially if infiltrated with shrike and get first turn.  However they are still marine, and even if they all have storm sheilds, they get toasted by rapid fire weapons.  Thoughts on whether the chance of a mighty first turn assault is worth a 600 point unit?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 7 May 2009 03:05:00]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Brother Condon]]></author>
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				<title>Are vanguard worth the points?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ no...not since you can take assault termies.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 7 May 2009 03:08:14]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 7 May 2009 03:08:33]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Alerian]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Wow...lagged out and got a x3 post  <img src="/s/i/a/504660322487159bb25fddaa475847a6.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 7 May 2009 03:08:41]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Alerian]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Are vanguard worth the points?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Vanguard are only good for being 5 man jump counter-attack squad that can deep strike with a drop pod assault army b/c the sarge gets relic-blade or thunder hammer at 15 pts a pop and they can assault when they come in from deep strike and a 5 man with jump packs, 2 storm shields, 2 lightning claw, sarge with thunder hammer is worth 250pts. do the math ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 7 May 2009 05:45:53]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ BondT3]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Vanguard have no place in a competetive army.<br /> <br /> People will disagree, and those are the people I hope to be matched up against at <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(48);'>GT</span>'s.<br /> <br /> ....I'm sure their loss would be attributed to the "dice".  <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 7 May 2009 05:59:54]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Deadshane1]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Alerian wrote:</cite>no...not since you can take assault termies.</div></blockquote><br /> I agree.<br /> There are better options out there in the Space Marine codex. Leave them at home. <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 7 May 2009 17:02:37]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ wuestenfux]]></author>
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				<title>Are vanguard worth the points?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ If there weren't other options within the codex that can do the same thing better and for less points then yes, they'd be worth it.<br /> <br /> Reality is however, that there are numerous other otpions within the codex that perform the same role better and for less points.  So basically, they're not worth it for a competitive army.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 7 May 2009 18:06:30]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Caffran9]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ what units ?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 7 May 2009 18:42:12]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Brother Condon]]></author>
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				<title>Are vanguard worth the points?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[  for 250 points  might as well  get a land  raider/redeemer and go around  torching up  units will be more effective then a  five man squad. Just my    two cents]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 7 May 2009 19:05:01]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ StarGate]]></author>
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				<title>Are vanguard worth the points?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ The big problem with them is the fact that you are paying ~250 points for a unit of 5 guys who die just as fast as a normal marine/assault marine. For those points you can take 6 assault terminators who can actually survive being shot at by a good chunk of an army.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 7 May 2009 21:17:02]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Backno]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Are vanguard worth the points?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ There is no reason to have vanguard in a competitive list but you can do what i do. If you are having a just for fun game then you take them and just have youre fun. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 7 May 2009 21:36:23]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Spivey]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Are vanguard worth the points?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ They're a tad expensive I think... Heroic Intervention is kind of neat though.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 7 May 2009 21:47:07]]> GMT</pubDate>
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