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hey guys trying to decide on my next list take a look at this one and let me know what you think.

Kharn- 165

9- Berzerkers- Icon
Skull Champ- P. fist- 234

10 Berzerkers- Icon
Skull Champ- P. fist- 255

10 Berzerkers- Icon
Skull Champ- P. fist- 255

10 Lesser Daemons- 130

10 Lesser Daemons- 130

Land Raider- Dirge Caster- 225

Land Raider- Dirge Caster- 225

Land Raider- Dirge Caster- 225

total 1844

is this competitive? C&C welcome]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/709962.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/709962.page GMT
Horde orks could take your assault on the chin and then wipe you out utterly on the rebound. I think the lesser daemons should be replaced by something that can handle hordes. 260 points....hmmm....

5 CSM with a flamer in a rhino with a combi-flamer costs 125 points. You could take 2 of those. That also has the added bonus of two "throwaway squads" in objective missions - they could go out and grab objectives, and even get out of their rhinos to send those on their way to contest others. The enemy can't ignore these little units for fear of losing the game, yet really WANT to bring down your LRs and berserkers. Forcing them to split fire is a good thing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/709989.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/709989.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/709996.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/709996.page GMT

can you think of something to help with the theme, i was thinking maybe berzerker dreads w/ 2 DCCW with the Hflamer]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/710030.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/710030.page GMT cc and are arguably better than dreads in cc against most things.

But the dreads would be nice. And with Hflamers won't pop your landraiders
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/710107.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/710107.page GMT you have enough troops to cover objectives, and enough armour to be able to hold out. I'd say anything that brings three land raiders to the table is competitive, unless it's transporting thousand sons. overall, a good list, but would do with more super-killy things with power weapons. damn I wish axes of khorne were back. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/710281.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/710281.page GMT

ahh what good times lemme see what i can conjure up for an updated list thanks captain for your advice]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/710415.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/710415.page GMT
Kharn- 165

9- Berzerkers- Icon
Skull Champ- P. fist- 234

10 Berzerkers-
Skull Champ- P. fist- 250

10 Berzerkers-
Skull Champ- P. fist- 250

Land Raider- 220

Land Raider- 220

Land Raider- 220

7 Terminators- Icon of Khorne, 2 Combi Meltas, 1 H. Flammer, 1 Chain Fist, 2 Power Fists- 290




puts the new total at 1849


what do yall think of that? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/710447.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/710447.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/710457.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/710457.page GMT
To the poster that mentioned orks taking it on the chin, if you creatively multi-charge, the berzerkers could gut two 30 man ork squads with very few casaulties in return, and the remaing orks would explode due to combat resolution. Doing this with two or three Land Raider charges in concert could really put a hurt on an ork army.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/710571.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/710571.page GMT
my only change would be to swap one of the power fists for three more combi-weapons. Two fists is enough when everyone has power weapons. I would go with more melta, since it would give you enough shots to hunt two tanks with the squad or take care of a vehicle squadron if you play against IG. It also makes a good terminator hunting squad and should help you shoot down mobile vehicles, which will be a problem for this list.

A big zerker squad like that, that gets to fire pistols then charge, will usually wipe out 30 boys on the boys' turn after they get charged.

If you face a space marine player using multimelta landspeeders, he is going to give you problems. Tau - the same thing. Those sort of mobile tank hunters eat land raiders alive. I don't know what you could do to take care of that other than replacing a land raider with a rhino and another heavy support geared to killing skimmers. Obliterators, lascannon pred, something like that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/710758.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/710758.page GMT LR's by taking min sized termie squads with HF's or whatever that can then deepstrike off the zerker's icons.

Defilers over dreads because defilers have battlecannons and are a little more controllable, and fleet!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/710850.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/710850.page GMT MM speeders and other tank busting skimmers will give me a problem, but its what ill have to deal with i guess.

i thought about using a rhino rush list, but i cant assault out of them.


basically what i have decided to do is just go for a world eaters themed army and just take the weaknesses that it has and live with it =/

i played World Eaters in 3rd and 4th and im really disappointed at how watered down the 4 gods are now.


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This means you drive up, stay in your rhino, then next turn wammo! And hell, if they torch your tank, you can disembark behind the wreck or in the crater for a cover save, and then charge them next turn anyway. And a rhino is alot less to lose than a land raider.

If you support your rhinos with vindicators or defilers, it really becomes hairy for your opponent over which one to shoot. Throw a demon prince or two with wings in there for good measure, and then sally forth!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/711758.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/711758.page GMT
ok heres the new list:

Kharn- 165

8 Zerkers
Skull- Pfist- 208

Land Raider- 220

8 zerkers-
Skull- Pfist- 208
Rhino- 35

8 zerkers-
Skull- Pfist- 208
Rhino- 35

8 zerkers-
Skull- Pfist- 208
Rhino- 35

5 Terminators- MoK, 2 Pfist, 2 Combi Melta, 1 Chain Fist, H. Flammer- 230

Defiler- 4 DCCW- 150

Vindicator- D. Possesion- 145

total 1847


thoughts?
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Now, you have 10 rapid plasma shots, 5 melta shots, or 5 flamer templates. They're now the most versatile unit you have and will earn back their points and more.

Also, deep striking these babies in at the right time will net you a win, I've done so with my own many times over.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/711896.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/711896.page GMT

Kharn- 165

8 Zerkers
Skull- Pfist- 208

Land Raider- 220

8 zerkers-
Skull- Pfist- 208
Rhino- 35

8 zerkers-
Skull- Pfist- 208
Rhino- 35

10 Terminators- MoK, 3 Combi Melta, 2 Hflammers, 2 Pfist- 375

Defiler- 4DCCW- 150

8 Havoks- 4 Flammers, MoK
Champ- Pfist- 210
Rhino- 35

total 1849 thoughts on the above two lists? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/712347.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/712347.page GMT lol]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/713416.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/713416.page GMT CC power. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/713874.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/713874.page GMT CC with the MoK, and they still have a bolt pist and CCW.

the flamers will help to thin out Hordes units: Nids, Orks, Gaurd.

flammers are also fluffy for khorne, idk why berzerker units cant take them :(]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/714220.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/714220.page GMT CC themselves. The Havoks are more expensive, suck your Heavy Support Slots, aren't troops, and won't get any benefit from a Khorne Icon.

In a chaos list these days, you have to really think harde about taking other power armored marines besides cult troops.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/714376.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/714376.page GMT

thanks guys for all your replies!

i really appreciate it ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/715638.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/715638.page GMT
i like the last list alot, the havoks and the defiler ARE a good idea, because you are going to want some long range in a cc army. and if the havoks get attack, they can defend themselves pretty good. And the defiler can either charge vehicles or jarge groups or shoot. One of the things i LOVE to do is,
Take khorne terminators, upgrade all to champs(yes you can) and give them twin linked lightning claws. 2 base attacks, +1 for khorne, +1 for champs, +1 for the claws, +1 on the charge. 50 attacks for a squad of ten with rerolls to hit, and 60 on the charge. Ive cleared a WHOLE ork army with just them. It is expensive but it makes up for it in the long run.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/727365.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/239701/727365.page GMT CCw dreads with heavy flamers and extra armor (120pts each). The points you save can go to giving the Land Raiders extra armor if possible.

Now you've got 3 hard targets to charge and assault the enemy, 2 dreads and a Prince to run up behind the Land raiders and be more of a threat in close combat.

Don't worry about Ork hordes. If the new IG codex doesn't scare them away, you'll cave in 3 massive troop units by assaulting with 3 units of berzerkers. Chaos dreads can hold up and eventually take down Ork troop units also. The math supports the idea that a Nob Powerklaw can't take down a dread in CC fast enough.

Eldar skimmers give you a problem? Sit back and shoot them with 6 twin-linked lascannons. IG tanks can get combi-assaulted by the Berzerkers. Godzilla can be tricky. All this and I've never mentioned the Flying Daemon Prince with Mark of Khorne who can pounce on almost anything in the game.

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