Darkreaver55 wrote:You can load two meltaguns and a combi-melta into each plague marine squad, so seeing all of that nasty heat-ray goodness would make any tank commander think twice about bringing armor within your range anyway. The infiltrating unit would be shot to pieces on its own if you put it too far up, and if you put it too far back it is a unit that dies faster than plague marines and can't claim objectives. From what I can see, that is lose-lose. The plague marines are in trouble either way though, if they are stuck footslogging. Your rhinos aren't very expensive points-wise, if you can afford them both with points by sacrificing a few havocs and afford each $30 US box, I would mechanize them for sure. Even plague marines will be brought down by weight of fire if they have to march across the entire board, but in rhinos they can plop down on objectives and can even drive-by and shoot meltas out of the fire points. Take that how you will, it's just my two cents but it's how I'm building my own CSM army. The unit of plague marines in it is in their own rhino, for ease of objective snagging and the fact that it is an AV11 ablative wound for them, since even if it is pen6'd you are highly unlikely to lose even a single marine.

fatal_GRACE wrote:Drop the Havocs. They aren't worth the points, especially with Heavy Bolters. If you drop them, and the rhino for the berzerkers, you should be close to enough points to grab a land raider for your Zerks. This gives you a little more anti-tank firepower, but you still get to keep a heavy bolter for help against troops. A land raider/zerk charge can really grab your opponents attention, and can do devastating damage to the opponents line if those berzerkers get their charge. It would work with either list, but I like the second one with the chosen a little more.

I also recommend that you drop the extra armour on your other rhino, it's not worth the points on a light transport like that. Give a rhino to both the PMs and the Chosen - you rarely ant to infiltrate chosen, as they will be left exposed, and they won't be mobile enough to easily get within effective range for their meltas. Personally, I would also give the PMs two meltas or two plasmas. Anything that flamer will be effective on is just as easily handled in CC anyway.

Finally, you should drop the champ and the power weapons from the Chosen. Replace the pw with a melta, and just put the PF on a regular chosen. The extra attack isn't worth ten points, and that's the only benefit you get from the AC upgrade.