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Shooting weapons are free. Maybe +5 points if you want the Devourers.

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Surprise Attack

Tunnelling beneath the Earth, Raveners can Deep Strike into any Terrain without penalty. In addition, if they do not already gain a cover save their tunnelling as well as the surprise of their assault grants them a 4+ cover save.

So they get a 4+ cover save and they can maybe stand up to some shooting. I was going to say 5+ but everything else gives a 4+ now and flamers ignore the 4+ cover anyway.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241324/732785.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241324/732785.page GMT Fix? for Raveners
While submerged, Raveners can move 2D6" but cannot shoot, run or assault and gain +2 to their Toughness and Save. When attacked (shooting or CC) No weapons aimed at them count as having an AP value or as powerweapons. After the first round of close combat they count as being surfaced. During any consolidation move they may choose to submerged.
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Jackmojo wrote:Eh, I'd just give them scout and infiltrate as well, given that many deployment options they'll be good enough to at least find a use.

Jack


I second this, they would be good if they could be deployed in more ways. This would also slove the lictor's issues i believe.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241324/733465.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241324/733465.page GMT Fix? for Raveners
Tri's rule is kind of neat although it is almost too Warmachine for 40k I think.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241324/734445.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241324/734445.page GMT Fix? for Raveners

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Either this, or here's another idea: They can assault the turn they arrive and can land in any terrain (minus impossible). Wouldn't that solve most of our problems with them?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241324/734530.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241324/734530.page GMT Fix? for Raveners
Two Scything and Rending would be cool, considering they could have six arms altogether.

The other thing they could do is make assault moves under other units, although that could be cheap as well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241324/734614.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241324/734614.page GMT Fix? for Raveners MEQ type troops.

The only 3 things i dont really like is the price, 50pts a pop [i usually get a good return but still in a horde army thats alot], there T/S, one of these needs to be increased by one to show either their toughness for borrowing all the time or the strength of borrowing all the time. Lastly, why take them with only CC weapons if you cant assault the turn you DS like a lictor.

My idea is to:
-+1T
-Add scout/infiltrate or lictor assault on DS
-drop the base cost to 20

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Tacobake wrote:Scout and Infiltrate would be cool but they should really get a cool tunnelling rule, as well.

Tri's rule is kind of neat although it is almost too Warmachine for 40k I think.


I'd agree if it wasn't for every one already having a similar rule (GTG) but i just big fan of the tremors movies and think that's how these guys should be.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241324/734762.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241324/734762.page GMT Fix? for Raveners
Raveners could get Furious Charge, for that matter, not that they need it.

Raveners just seem like they are missing _something_.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241324/734826.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241324/734826.page GMT Fix? for Raveners
I still vote they ought to get scout and infiltrate as well though.

Jack]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241324/736856.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241324/736856.page GMT Fix? for Raveners A) Reduce their initial cost by 10 pts (30 pts is still not cheap)
B) Give them the ability to assault the turn they deepstrike (making them good support units to help out lictors)

And yes I also feel that they are missing something. But even with my above suggestions I still can't help but feel I havent quite got it right.

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They may always assault the turn they arrive from DS.
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