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3 units of 30 Choppa and Slugga boyz (led by a a Nob With a Power klaw and wielding a Bosspole.)
2 Big Meks with a Kustom Force Field
2 Deff Dreads with a Big Shoota and a Skorcha
9 Killa kans armed with Rokkits

My Idea was to arm 2 units of 5 deffkoptas with "Big Bomms" and perform a 1st turn "Carpet Bombing". in order to do this I will have to deploy them on the front line, then scout 12", followed by a 24" Turbo boost to the opposite end of the table... The Result is 10 large templates at S5 Ap 5 on my opponents side of the table that only scatter D6"....

For the last 50 points, I thought about either giving a Deffkopta in each unit (2 total) a Buzz Saw so they can also go after a tank's rear armor with S7 or upgrading the 9 killa kans from Rokkit Launchas to Kustom Mega Blast, thus denying feel no Pain and 2+ saves... with the last 5 points I guess I would just give either a Mek or a Nob Heavy Armour and that unit will lead the charge... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/733259.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/733259.page GMT
15 kommandos: 2 burnas, snikrot - 265
15 kommandos: 2 burnas, nob, klaw, bosspole - 220


Thats 485 points used on 2 units that add some seriously worring abilities to your army



Or:


12 lootas - 180
12 lootas - 180
13 lootas - 195

5 points over, but adds some pretty decent fire power to your army.

i would also suggest swapping out the weapons on the kanz.
giving 3 grotzookas (anti-infantry) and 3 kustom mega blastas (anti-tank / termie) also, the other 3 can be either of those 2.



Koptas are nice, but they tend to die quickly, and if your playing a guard player he will shoot those down pertty quick to make sure it doesent happen.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/733264.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/733264.page GMT
The Main worry I have for Lootas is the relatively low number of troops to feed Mob Rule and their tendency to run after taking casualties.... if you include a 4+save from cover, my own troops, and "Incoming!" Troops have a 2+ cover save... If the opponent is smart he will take out my Lootas with one barrage of Ordinance fire or 80 Lasgun shots from "First Rank Fire! Second Rank Fire!"

As for Snikrot and a squad of Kommandos, I feel adding boys does not help my issue...

But with the Koptas I can hold a 4+ cover save from Turbo-boosting which will make them survive and require 96 lasgun shots or 6-7 Plasma shots to make a kopta squad take a LD test ,

I can also force some leadership test on my opponent's infantry and cause more to run than he can regroup...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/733311.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/733311.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/733508.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/733508.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/733718.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/733718.page GMT FAQ.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=3400019

According to this they can, which makes me happy since I like them ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/733952.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/733952.page GMT
Your own troops can't provide the enemy a coversave, its one of the exceptions in the coversave section.

I still think Sinkrot and 2 burnas in a komandoz squad is a very good use of points - expecially if they are a maxed out unit. Even if he only kills 1 thing, your enemy probably has moved toward you and is not sitting on the table edge. If not him then the lootas and a squad of deffkoptas.

I wouldn't worry too much about the flashlights killing your koptas. I would worry about the concentrated anti-tank fire that comes their way when your opponent realizes that they are your major anti-tank threat.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/734098.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/734098.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/734122.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/734122.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/735038.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/735038.page GMT IG armies, I like your carpet bombing strategy. That's gotta wreak havoc on all those soft targets.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/735151.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/735151.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/738280.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/738280.page GMT IG infantry I just can't help but feel like busting out some burna boyz..

Worth a try maybe, especially since they can take a bunch of meks and help with dread repairs.

EDIT: An alternative solution would be to run the Koptas once, and then have him retire his Infantry army in favour of mech.. which your koptas work just as well vs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/738498.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/738498.page GMT ap 5, no cover saves...

I do not think they are very effective vs a Mech list unless I gave 1 kopta in each unit a Buzz Saw or cut my numbers down and have Twin linked Rokkits...

Then again 15 S5 shots that hit 5 out of 9 times against rear armor of 10 will glance a few times... plus throw in the assault and you are looking at 15 S5 against AV 10, and 15 S4 hits against AV 10... might just kill some light-medium vehicles... or 3 S7 attacks against AV 10 might just do it...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/739898.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241368/739898.page GMT