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				<description><![CDATA[ This is the story of my Lord, and how he single handedly killed all my friends goblins<br /> Its not really a battle report sort of a fragment of one<br /> <br /> I fought my friend dwarf vs O&G and he had loads of goblins. 6 units of 30, however my Lord was not worried. I had given a rune which gave him a 1+ armour save, so baciacally he could only be killed by something with, S4 or more, something with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>AP</span> rule, or something which ignored armour saves.<br /> Goblins are none of these so i just charged them all, and they couldnt kill it.<br /> <br /> OWNAGE!! <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> I won however by heroic lord later got killed by loads of trolls<br /> <br /> The end<br /> <br /> OWNAGE!!! <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hmmmm.......<br /> <br /> awesome.<br /> <br /> But consider this.<br /> <br /> Dreadlord with Armor of Eternal Servitude and Pendant of Khaleth. Sea Dragon Cloak, Sword of Might and Shield.<br /> <br /> +3 save with Negative ward and Regen. S5. <br /> <br /> ha ha......I'm so cheesy.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 26 May 2009 18:26:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You automatically fail a save if you roll a one, so no he wasn't unkillable.<br /> <br /> Besides:<br /> <br /> Khorne lord on juggernaught, enhanted shield and crown of everlasting conquest.<br /> <br /> -1 + armour save and regen.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 26 May 2009 18:31:51]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Mekboy wrote:</cite>You automatically fail a save if you roll a one, so no he wasn't unkillable.<br /> <br /> Besides:<br /> <br /> Khorne lord on juggernaught, enhanted shield and crown of everlasting conquest.<br /> <br /> -1 + armour save and regen.</div></blockquote><br />   Not immune to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(527);'>KB</span> <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">   <br /> <br /> The elf is tougher <img src="/s/i/a/7ae18ba11c7ba79f6898e876a4b8ba4a.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 26 May 2009 20:50:15]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Bat Manuel]]></author>
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				<title>Re:The unkillable dwarf lord</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I would like to point out that any roll of a 1 is still a failure, so you still have to roll the saves on your dwarf lord and lowly goblins can still kill him.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 26 May 2009 23:37:49]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Regwon]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Or win on static combat resolution, break him and run him down.  Arguably the easier way.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(314);'>RZ</span>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 27 May 2009 00:30:10]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:The unkillable dwarf lord</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Pit of Shades, dwarf armor is pretty heavy after all  <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"> .]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 27 May 2009 04:11:13]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hmmmm.....<br /> <br /> also, wouldn't his Dwarf Lord been out res-ed?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 27 May 2009 05:33:56]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ well if he was takeing one at time lets do the math.<br /> +1 for outnumber<br /> +1 for standard<br /> +3 for rank bonus<br /> He'd have to kill  five gobbos for a draw and six for the win. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 27 May 2009 06:58:32]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ nieto666]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Saurus Oldblood with Cold One, light armour, Enchanted Shield. -1+ armour save and you could even buy him a "awesome" 5+ ward save. I'm not sure, but I think that he is cheaper than your Dwarf Lord.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 27 May 2009 09:44:09]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ nyyman]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Umm, how long have you been playing Fantasy EldarOwn, because you seriously need to re-read the rules on armour saves...<br /> <br /> Damn cheater! <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> However awesome it would be if a 1+ made him invulnerable to Strength 3, that's just not the case - as many above have stated.<br /> <br /> Oh well, I'm sure you'll only get put in the Book of Grudges for a little while... <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 27 May 2009 11:01:12]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Inquisitor Dark Fire]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Or 18 Fanatics from the 6 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(575);'>NG</span> units.<br /> <br /> He did take <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(575);'>NGs</span> didn't he?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 27 May 2009 12:11:32]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Nope.<br /> And i know a roll of a 1 always fails<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> However my friend doesent <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"><br /> Dont worry he cheats as well, acoording to him all chaos marines are fearless!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 27 May 2009 12:21:15]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Eldar Own]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Unkillable Dwarf Lord:<br /> <br /> Mounted on Shield Bearers (gives him +2 to his armor, makes him US3 and thus Immune to Killing Blow)<br /> <br /> Rune of Stone (Gives him a 1+ Armor Save total)<br /> Master Rune of Steel (any hits over S5, count as S5)<br /> Rune of Resistance (Re-Roll Failed Armor Saves)<br /> Master Rune of Spite (4+ Ward Save)<br /> <br /> Give him a Great Weapon so he has 4 S6 attacks, albeit non-magical.<br /> <br /> So you've got something that's WS7, T5, that is only ever wounded on 4's, thanks to anything over S5 being limited to S5, then he's got at worst a 3+ Save (unless you're hit by something that ignores armor), that you can re-roll, and a 4+ Ward.  And he's Immune to Killing Blow.<br /> <br /> Of course, seeing a Dwarf Lord on the table means you will never, ever see combat, since most other characters can just go around him and his unit, but still, it's nice to know that if a Blood Thirster DID charge in, you can probably bend him over your stubby little knee's and whittle him down eventually. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 27 May 2009 13:33:01]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Voodoo Boyz]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Voodoo Boyz wrote:</cite><br /> Rune of Stone (Gives him a 1+ Armor Save total)<br />  </div></blockquote><br /> I think voodo boy is saying it will <i>total</i> 1+ but if he thinks it gives him a 1+ armour save without any extras thats the wrong rune.<br /> <br /> And how much will all that cost, will it fit in his magical things point restriction]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 27 May 2009 13:40:14]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It will give him a total 1+ armor save since:<br /> <br /> Starts at 4+ (Gromril Armor)<br /> +2 to that from the Shield Bearer's (2+ Armor Save)<br /> +1 to that from Rune of Stone (1+ Armor Save)<br /> <br /> Yes it all just fits into his 125 Points allowance for runic items.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 27 May 2009 15:28:57]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Voodoo Boyz]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Voodoo Boyz wrote:</cite>Of course, seeing a Dwarf Lord on the table means you will never, ever see combat, since most other characters can just go around him and his unit, but still, it's nice to know that if a Blood Thirster DID charge in, you can probably bend him over your stubby little knee's and whittle him down eventually. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 27 May 2009 15:53:13]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Tacobake]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Why do laugh at something so maddening for Dwarf players.  <img src="/s/i/a/dec8d79950a36218cfae9200a43fa59f.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> Sure you can use the Master Rune of Challenge to try and get things to charge into his unit, but that doesn't work on half the armies on the field, and especially against the ones that matter. <img src="/s/i/a/dec8d79950a36218cfae9200a43fa59f.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Voodoo Boyz]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I just thought it was cool you could make a character so hard and then give him a Great Weapon.<br /> <br /> Besides, they are dwarves; they can take it.  <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 27 May 2009 21:09:31]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Tacobake]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Tacobake wrote:</cite>I just thought it was cool you could make a character so hard and then give him a Great Weapon.<br /> <br /> Besides, they are dwarves; they can take it.  <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It's the perennial problem with Dwarfs. You can make them really hard to kill, or really offensive, but not really both.<br /> <br /> Sure they can be tough and hit hard, but then they're not really going to stand up to other Lords/Monsters.  And a Great Weapon isn't bad on him, it's still 4 WS7 S6 attacks, the only downside being that they're not magical so they can't hurt Wraiths. <br /> <br /> Personally, I find the above lord to be moderately good.  You put a Thane in his unit as well that has the Master Rune of Challenge, and you can effectively take most Dragon Riders out of the game since they're likely not Immune to Psych. <br /> <br /> Force them to Charge in or flee, Challenge with the Unkillable Lord, and then win on <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(173);'>CR</span> by a decent amount. ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Voodoo Boyz]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Voodoo Boyz wrote:</cite><br /> <br /> It's the perennial problem with Dwarfs. You can make them really hard to kill, or really offensive, but not really both.<br /> <br /> <br />  </div></blockquote><br /> Very true, either or really,  give my thane/lord  the rune which gives it +1 T equalling T6 and against things which are mostly S3 or 4 like elves it can b very hard 2 kill. T6 means S4 needs a 6 to wound it, that is hard, trust me]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Eldar Own]]></author>
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				<title>Re:The unkillable dwarf lord</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ How would beating a dragon with dwarves take it out of the game?  It would just run and probably not be caught...then your rune of challenge is gone too.  Dwarf cannons take dragons out of the game. <img src="/s/i/a/98211dee9c461fcb24c29d4004f43f7f.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Bat Manuel]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well I think typically you'd be trying to have a gyro waiting to chase off the big brute.  But yes, you've identified the other problem with Dwarfs- even if you get the enemy to fight you, you're only likely to break them, and then not run them down, then watch them rally, then have to try to do it again.  Booo.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(314);'>RZ</span>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yes, the above requires the Gyro to work in order to make it so that the Dragon doesn't have the safety to flee.<br /> <br /> Cannon's kill stuff, butt with Dragons that have real ward saves (greater daemons), or "randomization" saves so your cannon ball goes into the Inverse Ward Save guy on top of the dragon, being able to kill a Dragon/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(42);'>GD</span> in a round of even Dwarf shooting is not likely.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span> i guess congrats on the win, even if it was under false rule pretenses]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Tzeentch sorcerer on a disk, alway staying 8" away, just laughing. hehe, stubbies]]></description>
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