<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Let's talk Defilers."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Let's talk Defilers. I'm thinking either going all out and having 2 extra close combat arms, and just fleeting towards the enemy, or trading out the heavy flamer for a havoc launcher and the autocannon for a lascannon, and have it be an artillery piece/deep striking dreadnought insurance.

Any other interesting defiler builds?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/740686.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/740686.page GMT Let's talk Defilers.
Canonness Rory wrote:How do you guys kit out your defilers? The way I see it, it is 150 points for either a shooty monster, of a choppy monster.
I'm thinking either going all out and having 2 extra close combat arms, and just fleeting towards the enemy, or trading out the heavy flamer for a havoc launcher and the autocannon for a lascannon, and have it be an artillery piece/deep striking dreadnought insurance.

Any other interesting defiler builds?


I like to chop them up to use their bits on other models.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/740899.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/740899.page GMT Let's talk Defilers. I do that with chaos spawn ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/740963.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/740963.page GMT Let's talk Defilers. CC arms, and either sit back and shoot, or slowly advance and shoot.
Also, screening these things with Rhinos is a great way to make them last a bit longer. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/741165.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/741165.page GMT Re:Let's talk Defilers.
Chaos Big Guys:

Lash Prince
Lash Prince
Summoned Greater Daemon

Dread w/ 2x ccw, extra armor, heavy flamer.
Dread w/ 2x ccw, extra armor, heavy flamer.
Dread w/ 2x ccw, extra armor, heavy flamer.

5man PM squad, 2x meltas, champ w/ fist, rhino.
5man PM squad, 2x meltas, champ w/ fist, rhino.
5man PM squad, 2x meltas, champ w/ fist, rhino.

Defiler w/ 2x ccw
Defiler w/ 2x ccw
Defiler w/ 2x ccw

Deploys/moves as a column, providing cover when possible. Dreads stay moving with EA. Lash + Defiler fleet = a potential 30inch charge, 22/23 inches on average. Still have decent scoring with the PMs.

9 Big guys. Should be fun. Exactly 1850.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/741367.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/741367.page GMT Let's talk Defilers. CC defilers are mean. My roommate fields one on a regular basis and it generally wreaks some sort of havoc or another.

@WhiteDevil: I think those Dreads would be more of a liability than anything. I have never seen a chaos dread perform even close to admirably. More often than not, it just pisses off the player that put it on the table.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/741680.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/741680.page GMT Re:Let's talk Defilers. cc as quickly as possible. Again, the point of the list is to have fun, although it has the potential to stomp plenty of guys along the way. No reason not to hit cc turn 2 (at least with the defilers).
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/742459.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/742459.page GMT Let's talk Defilers.
G]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/742570.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/742570.page GMT Let's talk Defilers.
That isn't such a good list because your Greater Daemon will possess a Plague Champion with a Power Fist, which is a serious waste of points. Your Plague Marine units are small and thus vulnerable to high AP and high S weapons. Your Daemon Princes will either have to use indigenous cover or move into the enemy sights to use their Lashes of Submission, in which case they're big targets.

I think the Defilers would be better off supported by Lascannons and Melta Guns wielded by Chaos Space Marines, outflanking or infiltrated Chosen, or Terminators in Land Raiders.

For 1850pts I'd suggest:

HQ
Chaos Sorcerer
w/Terminator Armour, Combi-Melta, Personal Icon, Familiar, Warptime, Doombolt

Elites
Chaos Terminators
4 Terminators
w/Combi-Meltas (2), Power Fists (2)
1 Land Raider
w/Daemonic Possession, Combi-Melta

Chaos Dreadnought
w/Plasma Cannon, Heavy Flamethrower, Extra Armour

Chaos Dreadnought
w/Plasma Cannon, Heavy Flamethrower, Extra Armour

Troops
Chaos Space Marines
1 Aspiring Champion
w/Combi-Melta, Power Fist
9 Chaos Space Marines
w/Lascannon, Melta Gun
1 Chaos Rhino
w/Extra Armour, Havoc Launcher

Chaos Space Marines
1 Aspiring Champion
w/Combi-Melta, Power Fist
9 Chaos Space Marines
w/Lascannon, Melta Gun
1 Chaos Rhino
w/Extra Armour, Havoc Launcher

Heavy Support
Defiler
w/Two Close Combat Weapons

Defiler
w/Two Close Combat Weapons

Defiler
w/Two Close Combat Weapons

Also, remember to blow smoke on the turn that you charge into combat against anything the Defiler can reasonably defeat in close combat, to save it from return fire in the following turn. This also applies to Dreadnoughts. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/742661.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/742661.page GMT Let's talk Defilers. GT and did very well last year. There's not much that is prepared to deal with that much armor in your face for the Chaos Monster Mash. Coupled with Lash, it becomes really ugly.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/742671.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/742671.page GMT Re:Let's talk Defilers.
I'll take a crack at an "interesting" build with defilers. Not really competitive mind you, but certainly "interesting".

Chaos Big Guys:

Lash Prince
Lash Prince
Summoned Greater Daemon

Dread w/ 2x ccw, extra armor, heavy flamer.
Dread w/ 2x ccw, extra armor, heavy flamer.
Dread w/ 2x ccw, extra armor, heavy flamer.

5man PM squad, 2x meltas, champ w/ fist, rhino.
5man PM squad, 2x meltas, champ w/ fist, rhino.
5man PM squad, 2x meltas, champ w/ fist, rhino.

Defiler w/ 2x ccw
Defiler w/ 2x ccw
Defiler w/ 2x ccw

Deploys/moves as a column, providing cover when possible. Dreads stay moving with EA. Lash + Defiler fleet = a potential 30inch charge, 22/23 inches on average. Still have decent scoring with the PMs.

9 Big guys. Should be fun. Exactly 1850.


I have run a khorne variant of this. Its really fun to use, and is a surprisingly hard list to take down. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/742711.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/742711.page GMT Re:Let's talk Defilers.
WhiteDevil wrote:I'll take a crack at an "interesting" build with defilers. Not really competitive mind you, but certainly "interesting".

Chaos Big Guys:

Lash Prince
Lash Prince
Summoned Greater Daemon

Dread w/ 2x ccw, extra armor, heavy flamer.
Dread w/ 2x ccw, extra armor, heavy flamer.
Dread w/ 2x ccw, extra armor, heavy flamer.

5man PM squad, 2x meltas, champ w/ fist, rhino.
5man PM squad, 2x meltas, champ w/ fist, rhino.
5man PM squad, 2x meltas, champ w/ fist, rhino.

Defiler w/ 2x ccw
Defiler w/ 2x ccw
Defiler w/ 2x ccw

Deploys/moves as a column, providing cover when possible. Dreads stay moving with EA. Lash + Defiler fleet = a potential 30inch charge, 22/23 inches on average. Still have decent scoring with the PMs.

9 Big guys. Should be fun. Exactly 1850.


I run this list as well, though with regular CSM instead of Plague Marines, and some Lesser Daemons for good measure. It's not the most effective army, but it's fun. Going up against armies with significant ranged firepower is pretty much auto-loss.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/742733.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/742733.page GMT Re:Let's talk Defilers.
Win or lose it's gonna be a fun game. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/742762.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/742762.page GMT Re:Let's talk Defilers. OP's question:

I usually run my Defiler with the Twin Linked Heavy Bolter rather than the Reaper Auto Cannon. With BS 3, I'd prefer the additional shot. Plus, my Defiler is strictly anti-horde, and the TL HB serves that purpose better than the Reaper IMO.

I also have some dedicated skirmishers in my list, so usually my Defiler is in more of a fire support and counter charge roll (these units are AWESOME at counter charge). You really force deep strikers to think twice about settling down near a Defiler and its templates and CC prowess. My buddy plays orks and usually has Snikrot. I'll use a Defiler to prevent Snikrot from charging my back lines, and the battlecannon has enough range to decimate his foot sloggers while Snikrot is still in reserve.

Some like the 2 CC Defiler, but I enjoy having the other ranged weapons for when the battle cannon is eventually destroyed. If you take 2 CC weapons, make sure you advance with it every turn. Once the cannon is gone, you don't want it doing nothing for one to two turns while gaining a charge.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/747954.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/747954.page GMT Re:Let's talk Defilers. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/747962.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/747962.page GMT Let's talk Defilers. CC arm (sticking out of his chest, hey, it's chaos, it could happen), or a flamer like warpcrafter said, I would still probably never use it, when I did I wouldn't have to stand in one place for the entire turn.

Right now the only use for it is if your CC defiler gets immobilized.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/748131.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/748131.page GMT Let's talk Defilers.
Canonness Rory wrote:On a 2CCW defiler, a Battle Cannon is something you pay for but never use, I would much prefer the option of taking another CC arm (sticking out of his chest, hey, it's chaos, it could happen), or a flamer like warpcrafter said, I would still probably never use it, when I did I wouldn't have to stand in one place for the entire turn.

Right now the only use for it is if your CC defiler gets immobilized.


Are people using 3rd ed rules for ordnance? Not only can the defiler move and fire its battlecannon, but it can even assault on the turn that it fires its battlecannon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/748134.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/748134.page GMT Let's talk Defilers.
willydstyle wrote:
Canonness Rory wrote:On a 2CCW defiler, a Battle Cannon is something you pay for but never use, I would much prefer the option of taking another CC arm (sticking out of his chest, hey, it's chaos, it could happen), or a flamer like warpcrafter said, I would still probably never use it, when I did I wouldn't have to stand in one place for the entire turn.

Right now the only use for it is if your CC defiler gets immobilized.


Are people using 3rd ed rules for ordnance? Not only can the defiler move and fire its battlecannon, but it can even assault on the turn that it fires its battlecannon.


But it can't fleet on the turn it uses it's battle cannon. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/748139.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/748139.page GMT Let's talk Defilers. run

That's true, but if you're not in assault range, battlecannon shots can be better than getting 1-6" closer to the enemy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/748143.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/748143.page GMT Let's talk Defilers.
And I disagree, fleeting means you will be 1-6" closer to the enemy next turn, which may mean an assault next turn, rather than the turn after.

The only real use it has is if you are already in assault range, and then you run the risk of scattering on yourself.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/748150.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/748150.page GMT Let's talk Defilers.
Canonness Rory wrote:You say tomato, I say fleet.

And I disagree, fleeting means you will be 1-6" closer to the enemy next turn, which may mean an assault next turn, rather than the turn after.

The only real use it has is if you are already in assault range, and then you run the risk of scattering on yourself.


I didn't say that a battlecannon shot is always better, I said "can be."

Which is the importance of the battlecannon, it gives a defiler versatility, where a heavy flamer would not. If your opponent is playing a stand-off army with mobility (say, a well-built Tau list) then a defiler will not reach H2H reliably, no matter how "fleet" it is.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/748155.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/241949/748155.page GMT