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				<description><![CDATA[ 225  Typhus<br /> <br /> 120  Chosen 4 meltaguns<br /> <br /> 301  7 plague marines  2 plasma guns, champion with powerfist<br /> Rhino  daemonic possession, havoc launcher<br /> <br /> 301  7 plague marines  2 plasma guns, champion with powerfist<br /> Rhino  daemonic possession, havoc launcher<br /> <br /> 291  7 plague marines  2 meltaguns, champion with powerfist<br /> Rhino  daemonic possession, havoc launcher<br /> <br /> 281  7  plague marines  2 flamers, champion with powerfist<br /> Rhino  daemonic possession, havoc launcher<br /> <br /> 160 Vindicator  daemonic possession, havoc launcher<br /> <br /> 160 vindicator  daemonic possession, havoc launcher<br /> <br /> 160 vindicator  daemonic possession, havoc launcher<br /> <br /> 1,999 points, 4 scoring units, 13 kill points<br /> <br /> <br /> I was also wondering what special weapons came in the plague marines box?<br /> <br /> Also does anyone know of any good bit sites to get special weapons?<br /> <br /> Thanks.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>DOOOM wrote:</cite>225  Typhus</div></blockquote><br /> Your points could be better spent, but Typhus is still great. Keep him away from Power Fists and the like and he'll serve you well.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>DOOOM wrote:</cite>120  Chosen 4 meltaguns</div></blockquote><br /> Pretty standard stuff there, gunna die early on, and will crumble in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span>, but if the chance to pop that Russ or Land Raider (or, more likely, transport) turn 1 is worth the points for a unit that won't last long, go for it. These guys are especially squishy in a Nurgle List, where they are the only units without Feel no pain and T5.<br /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>DOOOM wrote:</cite> 301  7 plague marines  2 plasma guns, champion with powerfist<br /> Rhino  daemonic possession, havoc launcher</div></blockquote><br /> Drop the Posession and Havoc Launcher, it looks like a great combo, but it's too espensive, especially considering that rhinos are still fragile, and a single weapon destroyed or immobilized result is just as likely to happen as crew shaken/stunned. Get Extra Armor if you absolutely positively have to get it's movement, but even that is advised against<br /> I would drop one unit, probably the flamers, in favor of a small unit of terminators for typhus to come in with. <br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>160 Vindicator  daemonic possession, havoc launcher<br /> <br /> 160 vindicator  daemonic possession, havoc launcher<br /> <br /> 160 vindicator  daemonic possession, havoc launcher</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Looking Ok there, you could probably drop one, as well as the above, in order to get More Termies.<br /> I suggest some Obliterators too, I hate them personally, but they are definetely worth their points, and will work great in tandem with some termies, as well as adding some much needed long range firepower to your army.<br /> <br /> <br /> I can't help you on the bitz, but I can suggest you pay attention to the Ads all over Dakka, I've visited most of them, and you can find some great stuff there for a lot cheaper than what <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> wants. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks for the quick reply!<br /> <br /> The reason I'm using 3 vindicators is because I love the idea of using three vindicators and also I want to get the apocalypse special and three space marine vindicators for 95 U.S. dollars.<br /> <br /> Also my friend is trading me 4 unassembled rhinos for some of my stuff so I kinda want to use all of them.<br /> <br /> Heres a revised list:<br /> 225 Typhus <br /> <br /> 190 4 Terminator champions  3 pairs of lightning claws<br /> <br /> 281 7 plague marines 2 plasma guns, champion with powerfist <br /> Rhino extra armor<br /> <br /> 281 7 plague marines 2 plasma guns, champion with powerfist <br /> Rhino extra armor<br /> <br /> 271 7 plague marines 2 meltaguns, champion with powerfist <br /> Rhino extra armor<br /> <br /> 271 7 plague marines 2 meltaguns, champion with powerfist <br /> Rhino extra armor <br /> <br /> 160 Vindicator daemonic possession, havoc launcher <br /> <br /> 160 vindicator daemonic possession, havoc launcher <br /> <br /> 160 vindicator daemonic possession, havoc launcher <br /> <br /> 1,999 points, 4 scoring units, 13 kill points <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>DOOOM wrote:</cite>225 Typhus <br /> <br /> 190 4 Terminator champions  3 pairs of lightning claws</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Lightning Claws never really felt too super Nurgly to me. As everything Nurgle has lately been getting lower initiative, maybe give these fellas some long range ability if you plan to walk them. If walking isn't really your route with these fellas maybe give them a heavy flamer and some power fists?<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>DOOOM wrote:</cite>281 7 plague marines 2 plasma guns, champion with powerfist <br /> Rhino extra armor<br /> <br /> 281 7 plague marines 2 plasma guns, champion with powerfist <br /> Rhino extra armor<br /> <br /> 271 7 plague marines 2 meltaguns, champion with powerfist <br /> Rhino extra armor<br /> <br /> 271 7 plague marines 2 meltaguns, champion with powerfist <br /> Rhino extra armor</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I like your troops mostly. You stick to a very fluffy 7 for every squad. The meltagun guys know what they need to be doing but I feel the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>Plas</span> groups might lack some direction against hordes. Maybe swap a single plasma gun in each of those squads for a flamer? Then the rhino could park in cover and double tap plasma shots at a close enemy, then if the transport is destroyed or closed in on the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PMs</span> can get out hit them with the flamer and shots of pistols and charge in to stick them there.<br /> <br /> Also, the extra armor is sinking 60 points here. Those points could be better spent elsewhere. Maybe on a few extra terminator bodies.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>DOOOM wrote:</cite>160 Vindicator daemonic possession, havoc launcher <br /> <br /> 160 vindicator daemonic possession, havoc launcher <br /> <br /> 160 vindicator daemonic possession, havoc launcher  <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> YEAH! Awesome, I've always wanted to try this! Have fun with it! And if it ever gives you problems in competitive play you can swap them out for 6 Oblits.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks for the reply.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Lightning Claws never really felt too super Nurgly to me.</div></blockquote><br /> I know it's not very nurgly I just love lightning claw terminator champions. There just so killy! I'll think of fluff for my army to have them make more sense. I might call them the plague spreaders or something like that.<br /> <br /> <br /> Here is my new list.<br /> 225 Typhus <br /> <br /> 250 5 Terminator champions 5 pairs of lightning claws <br /> <br /> 256 7 plague marines plasma guns, flamer, champion with powerfist <br /> Rhino  <br /> <br /> 256 7 plague marines plasma gun, flamer, champion with powerfist <br /> Rhino  <br /> <br /> 256 7 plague marines 2 meltaguns, champion with powerfist <br /> Rhino <br /> <br /> 256 7 plague marines 2 meltaguns, champion with powerfist <br /> Rhino  <br /> <br /> 160 Vindicator daemonic possession, havoc launcher <br /> <br /> 160 vindicator daemonic possession, havoc launcher <br /> <br /> 160 vindicator daemonic possession, havoc launcher <br /> <br /> 1,799 points, 4 scoring units, 13 kill points <br /> <br /> I still have 21 points that I don't know what to do with. Any ideas?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>DOOOM wrote:</cite><br /> 250 5 Terminator <u>champions</u> 5 pairs of lightning claws <br /> <br /> {snip}<br /> <br /> I still have 21 points that I don't know what to do with. Any ideas?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I see you have spent 10 points for an extra attack on each Termie there. Upgrading Termies to champs is kind of a waste, the extra attack especially when they have <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LCs</span> really isn't all that more impressive. If you downgrade them to normal termies, you could get two more termies with combi-weapons. If you plan on deep striking them with Typhus I'd say go for some combi-meltas or combi-flamers.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Upgrading Termies to champs is kind of a waste, the extra attack especially when they have <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LCs</span> really isn't all that more impressive.</div></blockquote><br /> It's funny because when I consulted my friend about this list he told me that the termies are useless without the mark of khorne. Would it be a travesty to paint khorne icon nurgely?<br /> <br /> I made two lists one with termies of doom and five attacks and the other with lots of templates ( even though I was told not to I just like the ides of 7 small blasts and 3 large blasts also it woulld distract more fire away from the vindicators)<br /> <br /> Termie list:<br /> 225 Typhus <br /> <br /> 290 5 Terminator champions 4 pairs of lightning claws, chainfist, flamer, icon of khorne <br /> <br /> 256 7 plague marines plasma guns, flamer, champion with powerfist <br /> Rhino <br /> <br /> 256 7 plague marines plasma gun, flamer, champion with powerfist <br /> Rhino <br /> <br /> 256 7 plague marines 2 meltaguns, champion with powerfist <br /> Rhino <br /> <br /> 233 6 plague marines 2 meltaguns, champion with powerfist <br /> Rhino <br /> <br /> 160 Vindicator daemonic possession, havoc launcher <br /> <br /> 160 vindicator daemonic possession, havoc launcher <br /> <br /> 160 vindicator daemonic possession, havoc launcher <br /> <br /> 1,996 points, 4 scoring units, 13 kill points <br /> <br /> <br /> Template list of dooooom:<br /> 225 Typhus <br /> <br /> 210 5 Terminators 5 pairs of lightning claws, chainfist, flamer<br /> <br /> 271 7 plague marines plasma guns, flamer, champion with powerfist <br /> Rhino havoc launcher<br /> <br /> 271 7 plague marines plasma gun, flamer, champion with powerfist <br /> Rhino havoc launcher<br /> <br /> 271 7 plague marines 2 meltaguns, champion with powerfist <br /> Rhino havoc launcher<br /> <br /> 271 7 plague marines 2 meltaguns, champion with powerfist <br /> Rhino havoc launcher<br /> <br /> 160 Vindicator daemonic possession, havoc launcher <br /> <br /> 160 vindicator daemonic possession, havoc launcher <br /> <br /> 160 vindicator daemonic possession, havoc launcher <br /> <br /> 1,999 points, 4 scoring units, 13 kill points<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Does your friend play <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> competitively in tournaments? 3 attacks that reroll hits/wounds is good, it's 4 on the charge, even better. Your termies should be the ones charging. Why not give them an Icon of Nurgle if you have the points? It makes a lot of sense considering the rest of your army.<br /> <br /> (225) Typhus<br /> (270) 6x Termies, 5x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LCs</span>, IoN<br /> (256) 7x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PMs</span> Plasma guns, Flamer, Champ w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, Rhino<br /> (256) 7x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PMs</span> Plasma guns, Flamer, Champ w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, Rhino<br /> (256) 7x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PMs</span> Meltagun x2, Champ w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, Rhino<br /> (256) 7x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PMs</span> Meltagun x2, Champ w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, Rhino<br /> (160) Vindicator daemonic possession, havoc launcher<br /> (160) vindicator daemonic possession, havoc launcher<br /> (160) vindicator daemonic possession, havoc launcher<br /> <br /> This is similar to all your lists except that the termies number 7 (with Typhus with them) and they have an IoN to give them all T 5.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Terminators with IoK work better when they all have <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LCs</span> because they are only good in combat, much like an IoK. IoN terminators with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LCs</span> are still good. Personally I find that unless their in a landraider <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> terminators have a hard time because they cant do any damage when they come in and its easy to just run away from them. I prefer to have my terminators with guns.<br /> <br /> Try to avoid mixing special weapons in squads. Its far better to have a simgle role for a squad that they do well, rather than trying to make them good at several things (which never works). Its a much more efficient use of points to have then in specific roles (anti-tank/anti-horde). I would suggest giving all of them meltas because you're quite light on anti-tank. <br /> <br /> Although some people like having havoc launchers on vindicators just in case they demolisher cannon gets blown off I dont think its worth the points. If you lose the cannon the best that tank can do is become a mobile wall. Get rid of them and spend the points on more plague marines or terminators.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Regwon]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Regwon wrote:</cite>Terminators with IoK work better when they all have <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LCs</span> because they are only good in combat, much like an IoK. IoN terminators with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LCs</span> are still good. Personally I find that unless their in a landraider <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> terminators have a hard time because they cant do any damage when they come in and its easy to just run away from them. I prefer to have my terminators with guns.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> If they were assaulting from a Landraider I'd say IoK. But since they are DSing in, IoN for the extra T is going to help weather the storm of fire a little better. Some Combi-Meltas would be nice in there, but I think he has his heart set on <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LCs</span>, well until he finds out that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> termies don't come with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LCs</span>.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>(225) Typhus<br /> (270) 6x Termies, 5x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LCs</span>, IoN<br /> (256) 7x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PMs</span> Plasma guns, Flamer, Champ w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, Rhino<br /> (256) 7x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PMs</span> Plasma guns, Flamer, Champ w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, Rhino<br /> (256) 7x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PMs</span> Meltagun x2, Champ w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, Rhino<br /> (256) 7x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PMs</span> Meltagun x2, Champ w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, Rhino<br /> (160) Vindicator daemonic possession, havoc launcher<br /> (160) vindicator daemonic possession, havoc launcher<br /> (160) vindicator daemonic possession, havoc launcher</div></blockquote><br /> I like this list alot and I think I will use it. Thank you for the help!<br /> <br /> This only leaves the question of what special weapons come in the plague marine box?<br /> <br /> Thanks again!<br /> ]]></description>
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