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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "The Ultimate anti-Avatar model"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net The Ultimate anti-Avatar model DH codex for a way to beat him. I think I've found it.

Take an Inquistor Lord. Equip with Grimoire of True Names, and then give him power armour and several Servo skulls to up his I. Also, take some acolytes to give the wounds he takes to. Any thoughts?

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And before people chime in about cheese or rules abuse, the official word of GW is codex overrules main rule book, unless there is errata. Heck I don't even see a fluff reason to object, the avatar is supposed to be a daemon, and GK grand masters are daemon slayers.

In all reality the best way to take out the avatar is to torrent of fire it with small arms. Just don't use melta, flamers, or heavy flamers vs him. The thing is also slow as any other foot model, so it isn't exactly hard to stay away from it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/753322.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/753322.page GMT Re:The Ultimate anti-Avatar model

notabot187 wrote: The thing is also slow as any other foot model, so it isn't exactly hard to stay away from it.

With Run he is faster than ever. So what he can't charge its going to take him 2 turns to get there (instead of 3 or 4). And imo DH are not one of the more mobile armies (unless all in LR).

However I agree a torrent of small arms fire (Avatar only what T6? T7?) should down him easier than trying to get him in melee. A vindicare assasin might work as well (need an Inquisitor though).

Otherwise a GKGM with his nemisis force wep. should work, you have enough terminators to soke up the avatars attacks and then get more attacks back if they live.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/753346.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/753346.page GMT The Ultimate anti-Avatar model HB 1XPC, 2 Sages, 2 mystics, 2 familiars. Then give your inquisitor some fun stuff as well. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/753361.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/753361.page GMT The Ultimate anti-Avatar model dev squad backed up by librarian will null zone think thats what its called]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/753395.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/753395.page GMT The Ultimate anti-Avatar model DH codex just to beat the Avatar? over kill but ok ...

Firstly he's Initiative 6 so the best you can do is match him by taking a servo skull and sacred Incense.

Your right the the Grimore will be useful since it half's his WS but you'll also need a warrior to match him (just take a warrior is better then just taking the book)

Weapons you have 2 options daemon hammer (good against every one great against daemons since it Strikes them at Initiative) or an Anointed weapon (wounds on a 4+ against daemons).

For Psychic power take Destroy Daemon (rerolling hits and wounds will make your life so much easier)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/753408.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/753408.page GMT The Ultimate anti-Avatar model DH army?, or are you running SM with some DH as allies? Anyways I am still for just shooting the crap out of it. pardon my language.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/753435.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/753435.page GMT Re:The Ultimate anti-Avatar model

Casper wrote:

notabot187 wrote: The thing is also slow as any other foot model, so it isn't exactly hard to stay away from it.

2 turns if he is deployed right across from something that matters. And you are deployed right on the line, and never move. Your guys can run too! Lets be honest, on foot CC guys just don't do much except act as a counter charge. Add in the fact that the avatar only has a melta gun, it isn't too hard to minimize what he can do. Big scary and slow things can be ignored, just shoot the rest of the army, and avoid him/feed him useless stuff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/753437.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/753437.page GMT Re:The Ultimate anti-Avatar model SM army, so I'll be able to benefit from the good troops there. Any ideas as to how I should get him into CC aside from the run?

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Lots of dakka or lots of choppy - doesn't need to be anything fancypants.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/753985.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/753985.page GMT The Ultimate anti-Avatar model You started a tread for me I'm...I'm...touched.
You do know the reason I inflicted so much damage was cos I was in combat almost every turn? if you and OCD had actually moved at all you could have left the big scary hitty thing on its own watching the blood drip down his hands. oh and dont leave your Master of the Forge within 12" next time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/754178.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/754178.page GMT Re:The Ultimate anti-Avatar model

extermikator wrote:Thanks for all the replies. I'm going to take the Inquisitor with my SM army, so I'll be able to benefit from the good troops there. Any ideas as to how I should get him into CC aside from the run?

Imo the only thing regular SM have that probably could win a CC without much help would be SS Terminators. I would stick to trying to shoot him to death, with the help of some Missle Launchers, or a Tank.

I don't think you can just ignore him. You can out manouver him with transports, however, it's a bad idea to completely ignore him and its a bad idea to focus everthing on him. Really depends on what else your opponent is bringing to determine the Avatar's true threat lvl to your army.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/754257.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/754257.page GMT The Ultimate anti-Avatar model LR. IMO the LR will be better because you can assault out of it and when is a LR not helpful.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/754852.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/754852.page GMT The Ultimate anti-Avatar model TH/SS Terminators charging. Sure you hit on 5's, but you wound on 2s. Add a Chaplain if you really feel you need one. Avatar kills 1 Terminator and then gets buried by the rest.

GK Grand Master with Grimoire of True Names and Sacred Incense plus a Terminator Retinue. Massed S6 attacks and the Nemesis Force Weapon bury the Avatar with wounds.

Or you can just shoot him to death. It's really quite easy with assault cannons and missile launchers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/754863.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/754863.page GMT Re:The Ultimate anti-Avatar model GK GM with a Grimoire, only Inquisitors can. Thanks for all the advice. Loving the idea of the TH/SS termies.

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However, if you are going up against MY Avatar, then I HIGHLY recommend that you hit him with as may meltas as possible

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sourclams wrote:TH/SS Terminators charging. Sure you hit on 5's, but you wound on 2s. Add a Chaplain if you really feel you need one. Avatar kills 1 Terminator and then gets buried by the rest.

GK Grand Master with Grimoire of True Names and Sacred Incense plus a Terminator Retinue. Massed S6 attacks and the Nemesis Force Weapon bury the Avatar with wounds.

Or you can just shoot him to death. It's really quite easy with assault cannons and missile launchers.

And don't forget the Libby with Null Zone.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/755940.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/755940.page GMT Re:The Ultimate anti-Avatar model I've read the rules, but it still makes no sense lol

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extermikator wrote:What exactly does Null Zone do?
I've read the rules, but it still makes no sense lol

Any Invulnerable saves that are made by the enemy must be re-rolled, basically making it more likely he will fail saves.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/756257.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/756257.page GMT Re:The Ultimate anti-Avatar model From 12" you have 20 shots = 14 hits = 12 wounds = 8 saves = dead avatar. By mathhammer he should be dead without risking characters in close combat.

Edit: Sorry I thought you were looking for DH allies with a marine army, my bad. That is what I get when I glance over things to quickly.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/756369.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/756369.page GMT The Ultimate anti-Avatar model HQ's look like right now though...

Try this: Cannoness with jump pack, eviscerator, litanies of faith and cloak of st lucious (along with other things but these are the important ones). Evisc counts as a power fist and doubles her strength. Of course that means intiative 1 but the cloak is whats makes up for that. It makes her armor save a 2+. Then with faith points you can make it a 2+ invulnerable save. She will come with 2 points, and litanies let you use a power with no points. So you get 3 uses of this power. The jump pack helps her get to him before the avatar can hit other stuff. worst case scenario, you tie his avatar up for 3-4 turns.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/756374.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/756374.page GMT Re:The Ultimate anti-Avatar model BS with my army, but would I be able to do that with DHs as well?

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Pathfinders and Dark Reapers brought him down on the first turn.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/757252.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/757252.page GMT Re:The Ultimate anti-Avatar model

extermikator wrote:Thanks for all the advice. I like the idea of allying BS with my army, but would I be able to do that with DHs as well?

No you cannot add both SoB and DH to your SM army at the same time. It must be one or the other. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/757298.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/757298.page GMT The Ultimate anti-Avatar model http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/757300.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/757300.page GMT The Ultimate anti-Avatar model

JourneyPsycheOut wrote:Autocannons. They just work.

Amen, brother!

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extermikator wrote: Having recently played a friend who mulched my army with an Avatar, i have been scouring the DH codex for a way to beat him. I think I've found it.

Take an Inquistor Lord. Equip with Grimoire of True Names, and then give him power armour and several Servo skulls to up his I. Also, take some acolytes to give the wounds he takes to. Any thoughts?

MC

Don't forget to give out manchatchers if they're witch hunters. Each one reduces the number of Avatar attacks. Forget force weapons, power ect (6s to wound) giver him/her hammerhand. Evens the playing field.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/757306.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/757306.page GMT The Ultimate anti-Avatar model http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/757677.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/757677.page GMT Re:The Ultimate anti-Avatar model SMs?

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extermikator wrote:Thanks for all the ideas. I think I've sussed how to kill the Avatar now. Could you ally SoBs with SMs?

Unfortunately, the codex SPECIFICALLY state no...
Not so sure about Grey Knights though, hmmmmm...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/759090.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/759090.page GMT Re:The Ultimate anti-Avatar model SM's with GK's, something about the GK's being a "secret" chapter lol

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The Strange Dude wrote:The rules are the same for both WH and DH you can't take a GK or SOB main list and ally in SM but you can take a SM list and ally in 0-1 HQ, 0-2 Troops, 0-1 Elite, and 0-1 Fast Attack.

Yeah, so there!

Edit: Wait, that means no dreadnought! Nooooooooooo!!!!!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/759167.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/759167.page GMT Re:The Ultimate anti-Avatar model MOTF as the HQ in the SM army.

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extermikator wrote:You can if you take a MOTF as the HQ in the SM army.

Short answer ... No
Longer answer ... "Grey Knight Dreadnought" != "Dreadnought", "Venerable Dreadnought" or "Iron clad Dreadnought"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/759462.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/759462.page GMT Re:The Ultimate anti-Avatar model MOTF makes it possible for Dreadnoughts to be classified as HS or Elites

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extermikator wrote:You can still take the Dreadnoughts, as the MOTF makes it possible for Dreadnoughts to be classified as HS or Elites

? sorry but I have to assume that you mean "Grey Knight Dreadnought" since you can already take any 2 "Dreadnought", "Venerable Dreadnought" or "Iron clad Dreadnought" (3 if you don't take an elite from the DH codex).

Master of the forge allows the following to be take as heavy or elite "Dreadnought", "Venerable Dreadnought" or "Iron clad Dreadnought". That list doesn't include "Grey Knight Dreadnought" so you can't take them when you ally DH to SM army.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/759790.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/759790.page GMT The Ultimate anti-Avatar model Only 1 elites?
That means no termies! Waahahahahaaaa (sob/sniffle).

You need those termies etc if you're going to take out the avatar, who would make mincemeat out of the dread.

P.S. what does MOTF mean?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/759794.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/759794.page GMT The Ultimate anti-Avatar model MOTF=Master of the Forge aka super techmarine]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/759866.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/759866.page GMT Re:The Ultimate anti-Avatar model GK Dreadnought, but I'd rather have the SM Dreadnoughts than the DH ones, they're tooled up for the new rules.

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Also Lysander he kicks butt ( by the way how is he not the chapter master).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/759940.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/759940.page GMT The Ultimate anti-Avatar model http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/760008.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/760008.page GMT Re:The Ultimate anti-Avatar model GK only.

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I'd suggest a Purgation squad armed with Psycannons but you'll probably want something with better assault capabilities.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/764381.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/764381.page GMT The Ultimate anti-Avatar model Fact: Deamon Hunters pawn deamons.
Fact(I think): The Avatar is a deamon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/764585.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/764585.page GMT Re:The Ultimate anti-Avatar model

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extermikator wrote:Sourclams, I can see one problem in that you can't take a GK GM with a Grimoire, only Inquisitors can. Thanks for all the advice. Loving the idea of the TH/SS termies.

This statement is false.

Grimoire of True Names has a "2" superscript, which the table tells us means Inquisitors, Inquisitor Lords, and Grey Knight Heroes.

So a GKGM with the GOTN would be equal in points to the Avatar, and have an interesting time fighting him. (Avatar hits on a 4+, wounds on a 2+, GKGM saves on a 5+, while the GKGM hits 4+, wounds 4+, wound is saved on a 4+, but a single hit could kill the Avatar.)

If you wanted to make things interesting, give him a Daemonhammer and Destroy Daemon. This lets him re-roll to hit and to wound, and gets him to wound on a 2+. He can't also kill with one blow, but it's a trade-off.

Though i personally wouldn't do the above build. I'd take a Brother Captain, give him the Daemonhammer, Grimoire, Icon of the Just, and psycannon. He'd cost 126 points, have a 2+/4++, ignore invuln saves with his shooting, and attack with Str 8, at initiative versus the avatar.

Also, his gun would have the added advantage of leveling Farseers. (That's a no save ID wound.) So blast Eldrad so he can't use Fortune on the Avatar. If you have a few more points (like, the 30 your guy versus the Avatar) grab a retinue for ablative wounds.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/766551.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/766551.page GMT Re:The Ultimate anti-Avatar model

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extermikator wrote:Aside from the Avatar, what would people say is the biggest threat in the Eldar army lists?

wow .... big list

Maugan Ra, Karandras, Jain Zar, Eldrad, Yriel, Farseer + Warlock + Autarch all on jetbikes, Striking Scorpions, Fire dragons, Wrathguard, Banshee, Harlequin, Wave Serpent, Dire Avengers, Rangers/Pathfinders, Guardain jetbike Squadron, Shining spears, Warp spiders, Dark reapers, WrathLord, WarWalkers, Falcon, Fire prism .... Yes I have a very low opinion of Avatar.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/767840.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/767840.page GMT The Ultimate anti-Avatar model http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/767845.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/767845.page GMT Re:The Ultimate anti-Avatar model

extermikator wrote:Aside from the Avatar, what would people say is the biggest threat in the Eldar army lists?

erm anything but swooping Hawks really. A doom and guided Bladestorm can score 22 wounds against MEQ. Fire Prisms can twin link and take out almost anything in the game. Eldar are about high damage fast.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/767888.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/767888.page GMT The Ultimate anti-Avatar model

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combo wrote:
extermikator wrote:Aside from the Avatar, what would people say is the biggest threat in the Eldar army lists?

MC

erm anything but swooping Hawks really. A doom and guided Bladestorm can score 22 wounds against MEQ. Fire Prisms can twin link and take out almost anything in the game. Eldar are about high damage fast.

I find that the "immortal" guardian does a bunch of damage. My kill count for ONE squad of guardians in a game is 2 Drop Pods, An Ironclad Dreadnaught, a whirlwind, and Kronos.
My second best score with guardians is 4 Necron Warriors and a Monolith.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/768582.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242740/768582.page GMT