<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince CC seems like a recipe for getting melta'd, where at least the demon prince will have to take 4 wounds before he goes down!

Thoughts?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/755766.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/755766.page GMT Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince SG is better than the DP. You have to be smart, deploy to the flank, away from as many melta's as possible, and using decent cover.

If you do that then you are limiting the enemy to only a handfull of weapons which can really damage you, as opposed to a DP where despite greater mobility (with wings) you really are small arms fodder!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/756034.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/756034.page GMT Re:Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince SM player, I'd rather face a SG, as I know that I can mulch that with meltas. Aside from that, go for the Daemon Prince cos the model is cooler, and he has some really hench rules!

MC ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/756036.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/756036.page GMT Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince MC you have 2 multi-meltas. NOT ENOUGH
For me the soul grinder just is more pleasing aestheticly. I mean giant mutated Defilers ftw.
Deamon Princes are more useful in a well made list though so....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/756054.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/756054.page GMT Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince IMO the Soulgrinder is still a better option because it can take good shooting attacks (Tongue and Phlem in particular). Tongue is especially nice against mech lists because it lets you reach out with a decent threat radius the turn you land before your opponent has a chance to try and put distance between you and him.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/756103.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/756103.page GMT Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/756115.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/756115.page GMT Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince
extrenm(54) wrote:It really depends on personal preference. They both have their advantages and disadvantages.


see and it's undecided people like you who become furies]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/756205.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/756205.page GMT Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/757526.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/757526.page GMT Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/757614.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/757614.page GMT Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince DP now. Atleast the DP model is easier to get cover than the SG. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/757630.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/757630.page GMT Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince
thehod wrote:With meltas, multi-meltas and all sorts of tank busting equipment coming, you will need a DP now. Atleast the DP model is easier to get cover than the SG.


The DP is alot smaller, but he gets awful pricey when you start taking upgrades for him. 170 points for Armor and Wings, and nothing else? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/757647.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/757647.page GMT Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince IG. Mark of Tzeentch, Bolt of Change, maybe wings. Keep them as cheap and resilient as possible.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/757661.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/757661.page GMT Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince
whitedragon wrote:Since the new guard is forcing everyone to "Mech" up, and mech endorses meltas, are soul grinders still a decent choice for Demons over Demon Princes? The Grinder with the S8 Blast is pretty awesome, but getting close for CC seems like a recipe for getting melta'd, where at least the demon prince will have to take 4 wounds before he goes down!

Thoughts?


While I love the DP's for their large amount of customization choices and you can mold them to fit any role lacking in your army, I still prefer SG's. Their Pie Plate or decent anti-vehicle (even on a crappy BS) is good for 185 points (with max upgrades). A lot of people see a soul grinder and focus fire it (and barring a lucky shot) keep fire away from your more squishier units. DPs have that effect too, but costing more points and unless you made a shooty version could possibly be dead the turn it arrives and not even doing any real damage.

Best advice anyone can give you is to try them out and see which works out better for you. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/758609.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/758609.page GMT Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince DP's add to the tally, soulgrinders dont.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/758624.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/758624.page GMT Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince DP's the average points I spend seems to be around 200 (DP+Wings, Iron Hide, Might, Mark, AN upgrade)

For 40 points less it's an SG with phlegm, which has the added bonus it forces my opponents to spread out. If they know an ap3 pie plate is aimed at them, they won't castle up. That means you can pick them off piece meal and not worry about their whole army hitting you simultaneously.

Yes against Dreads/MC's they suck - so avoid them, you've got fleet remember!

I also find that they intimidate the opposition so much more, and there's nothing funnier than all these S7 and less weapons doing sod all due to daemonic possession, and yes melta will ruin your day, so use cover!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/758957.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/758957.page GMT Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince
sourclams wrote:I wouldn't bother with armor against IG. Mark of Tzeentch, Bolt of Change, maybe wings. Keep them as cheap and resilient as possible.


Unfortunately, I run khorne most of the time...so no 4+ for me...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/759276.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/759276.page GMT Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince
G]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/759389.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/759389.page GMT Re:Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/761058.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/761058.page GMT Re:Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince , Soulgrinders and Daemon princes can be devastating in each of their own ways, the soulgrinders are tanks and have that Str10 ap1 tongue which is handy for popping a tank, the daemon princes however, are giant daemons,, , which means they have wounds and inv saves as other daemons do, i am a chaos player on all realms so i know, i recently played in a tank and mc battle, where i took a nurgle daemonprince with wings, and he survived until the very end after killing 3 leman russ', a tomb spider, helped kill a land raider and 2 predators, the soulgrinders were fire magnets, expect them to get shot up. Imo daemon princes ftw because they can be very cheap and are alot more customizable than SG, but an armor value can never hurt.

-Lord BoJangles]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/881728.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/881728.page GMT Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince dp, but that cheap source of battlecannon blast is just too good to pass up. That it's a huge LOOK AT ME model is just gravy.

It's a rare battle when both grinders (and the thirster) survive until the end of the game, but the tradeoff is that I rarely lose more than one squad of lesser daemons... and if I've got 40+ little guys still around by turn five, it's pretty darn hard *not* to have control of the objectives.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/883144.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/883144.page GMT Re:Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince
I run 3 grinders, but I've seen 3 princes, and mixes, and all work well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/883165.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/883165.page GMT Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince IG Vets shooting at it with meltaguns.

And then the other soul grinder killed everything. So, SGs seem worth it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/883241.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/883241.page GMT Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince
Reaver83 wrote:
extrenm(54) wrote:It really depends on personal preference. They both have their advantages and disadvantages.


see and it's undecided people like you who become furies


Best post of the match, congrats you win this thread!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/883340.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/883340.page GMT Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince
As others pointed out, the grinder's I3 really hurts it against other dreads, and it's dreads that cause problems for all daemon troops, and most daemon units in CC (pretty much fiends and MCs are the only things that won't get stuck forever).

Princes can get synergy with Fateweaver, if you're running him, while grinders generally cannot. And they don't just pop. (which is what's happened to my grinders in too many games)

The threat of a S10/AP1 shot or a big template is tempting, but in reality, it seems like you get one or two shots and they're not all that accurate. So, for me, the grinder has fallen out of favour, at least at the moment.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/883425.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/883425.page GMT Re:Soulgrinder vs Demon Prince Str 10 attacks with fleet in cc is pretty scary too. You can sit back and battle cannon the enemy and then use the grinder for a counter assault role for things coming after the plague bearers, like outflankers for example. The other shooting units in the daemon army aren't very good in my opinion. Horrors always under perform for me. The daemon princes are good but they cost too much when using upgrades. They also tend to die to small arms fire due to relatively low toughness whereas a soul grinder can ignore it. Meltaguns haven't been much of a problem since people tend to be trying to keep their distance from the rest of my army. Of course, good luck ever getting a soul grinder a cover save. I have yet to accomplish that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/891021.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242890/891021.page GMT