<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? 40k...
To name but a few;
-Deathbringer
-Marneus Calgar
-Avatar
-Phoenix lords (Ans = power weapons if you survive thier attacks)
-Drahzar

Help me please! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/757301.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/757301.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc?
120 Las Shots=60 hits= 20 wounds=3 Missed armor saves
4 Meltas=2 hits=2ish wounds = 1 Missed armor save

And he's dead.

If he's with a squad you just need to nail it with some area/armor ignoring stuff. I love plasma myself.

It really depends on what you're playing though. 40k is like most games, everybody has something that counters what everyone else has, you just have to align your strengths against their weaknesses.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/757735.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/757735.page GMT Re:Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? And the deathbringer?
(part from witchblades)

Edit: Whoops, I meant Nightbringer!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/758240.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/758240.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc?
Tau laugh at him.They Laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh some more.

My advice: Ignore him.
Seriously, he's 360 points IIRC.

That means less Necrons on the field.

Which means a faster phase-out.

You could lascannon him to death if you felt like it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/758547.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/758547.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/758570.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/758570.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? GW wants, more character hammer.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/758571.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/758571.page GMT Re:Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc?
Fortunately we have the ability to take lots of choices in our lists of critters just as hard to kill although not as deadly one-on-one.

We use the same tactic vs. uber-characters though... shoot them to death or try to rend them to death.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/758590.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/758590.page GMT Re:Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc?
Rockit wrote:Unfortunately these are things we must suffer through as 'Nids, uber characters everywhere else.

Fortunately we have the ability to take lots of choices in our lists of critters just as hard to kill although not as deadly one-on-one.

We use the same tactic vs. uber-characters though... shoot them to death or try to rend them to death.

I'd be interested in seeing how Implant Attack would help against SC's.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/758659.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/758659.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc?
Knowing what army you regularly play will certainly help for giving you any advice. In general, though, Sternguard, Land Speeders, and Thunderhammer/Stormshield Terminators are the answer to most Marine players' woes with regards to special characters.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/758673.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/758673.page GMT Re:Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? WS 4 with 3 attacks, but a 2+ invul with a S5 mastercrafted PW or a S6 (can get to S8) eveserator gets the job done. She can beat most characters and MCs. And she usually costs much less than what she can take out. Not the greatest, she gets instant gibed vs S6 if she fails here save, but she can get the job done.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/758733.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/758733.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? IG), or better CC options (Marines).

Character murder is best done from afar. If you're in a situation where you NEED a Cannoness, you probably could have better spent the points on simply buying more troops and firepower.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/758756.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/758756.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc?
sourclams wrote:I understand what you're saying, but if you have the option of tooling out a Cannoness, then you play an army with massed flamer/melta (Sisters), massed S7+/AP2 (IG), or better CC options (Marines).

Character murder is best done from afar. If you're in a situation where you NEED a Cannoness, you probably could have better spent the points on simply buying more troops and firepower.


Amen! But the problem with SoBs is that the best monster/charachter killing stuff is thier meltaguns. Only range 12'. So you'll eventually risk getting down and dirty with combat. Plasma guns for Storm Trooper ARE 24' but you should never, EVER rely on them as your mainstay army.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/758984.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/758984.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc?
Emperors Faithful wrote:
sourclams wrote:I understand what you're saying, but if you have the option of tooling out a Cannoness, then you play an army with massed flamer/melta (Sisters), massed S7+/AP2 (IG), or better CC options (Marines).

Character murder is best done from afar. If you're in a situation where you NEED a Cannoness, you probably could have better spent the points on simply buying more troops and firepower.


Amen! But the problem with SoBs is that the best monster/charachter killing stuff is thier meltaguns. Only range 12'. So you'll eventually risk getting down and dirty with combat. Plasma guns for Storm Trooper ARE 24' but you should never, EVER rely on them as your mainstay army.


I beg to differ, Divine Guidance and rapid fire bolter power + Heavy flamer and Meltagun means something is going to die and there is nothing the other team can do about it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/759047.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/759047.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc?
Edit: Emperor Damned Wraithlord...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/759087.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/759087.page GMT Re:Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/768573.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/768573.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/768948.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/768948.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc?
Lemartes wrote:Ditto, It's what GW wants, more character hammer.


Its called Warmachine/Hordes


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Oh and in relation to the thread topic.

Pour on the shots any way you can.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/768966.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/768966.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc?
::waits for GBF to show up::]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/768967.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/768967.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/769079.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/769079.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/769203.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/769203.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? I think that Marneus Dying and Honour Guard was very lucky for that amount of attacks. (imaging the thunder of 100 rolling dice). Or mabye not.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/769219.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/769219.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/769241.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/769241.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? Eldar:
Mind War - this power is your friend especially quaded (spirit stones and 2 farseers), a potential of 20 wounds without normal save[?]
Wraithguard - these puppies deal out alot of instant kill and can poip tanks and smeer small troops in CC, whats not to love but the model?
Wraithlord - AKA humies sqwisher, with T8 and S10, even fexs run from its CC power
Starcannon salvo - with the all powerful termie killer in your arsenal, only the hardest of enemies will walk away with a full war walker squad of starcannon shots.
Diresword - a seemingly useless weapon the dire sword is not only a power weapon but has the chance of instant death to boot, a hidden IC killer.

Tyranids:
Implant attacks - these evolutionary tools make killing a breeze causing two wounds for the price of one, making every wound count. Coupled with MC or scything talons increase effectiveness
If first you dont kill it, try and try and try and try again - WoN is your friend (unless going for KP's), have not one but many goes at this nutter killing your bugs.
Warp blast - lets see an IG psyker match the tank popping and mind vaporizing of a focus warp blast, at S10 AP2, send those super heros/villians to hell.

Orks:
The Gretchen wave - 3 runtherders with grabba sticks comes in real handy, taking away 3 attacks of that mass murder (dont worry we have more ) and a return of up to 33 attacks is nothing to cough at, and if we get the charge. Those squig hounds keep the gretchen in the fight.
Burna boyz - Burn 'em, or cut 'em, with the choice of a template to remove bodyguards/attatched squads or a power weapon for carving up, chop chop.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/769250.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/769250.page GMT Re:Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/769973.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/769973.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc?
Emperors Faithful wrote:A force weapon is no good if you can't wound the damn thing!


S6 NFW can wound ANYTHING!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/771198.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/771198.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/771387.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/771387.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc?
has pretty much the same chance to kill stuff as NFW. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/773877.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/773877.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/774201.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/774201.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc?
Squig_herder wrote:Orks:
The Gretchen wave - 3 runtherders with grabba sticks comes in real handy, taking away 3 attacks of that mass murder (dont worry we have more ) and a return of up to 33 attacks is nothing to cough at, and if we get the charge. Those squig hounds keep the gretchen in the fight.


Full of AWESOME.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/774213.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/774213.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/774455.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/774455.page GMT Re:Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc?
As a separate note, for high toughness targets its hard to beat snipers (or pathfinders if you are running eldar)


Sliggoth]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/774500.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/774500.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/774511.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/774511.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc?
Nurgleboy77 wrote:Three words: Nemesis Force Weapon!

::waits for GBF to show up::


You know where I stand and my position has not changed. In fact a lot of people agreed with me. I don't see a need to turn this thread into another quagmire of circular arguments so I'll just close it by saying:

When Andy Hoare wrote the DH codex which came out at years before the 5th edition ruleset neither nor anyone had any conception of the Eternal Warrior rule. The whole argument that the NFW bypasses the EW rule is based out on two words... Kills outright which is used to describe how force weapons work in the DH and WH codices. To me that is a loophole at best. RAW is a good tool but it is not always right. Just look at all the clarifications in the INAT FAQ of which there are far more of than RAW rulings. In the original discussion there was some misinformation presented such that a NFW is not a force weapon but it is indeed listed as a force weapon in the table at the back of the DH codex. The INAT FAQ says that the NFW does indeed kill outright an Eternal Warrior but this same document uses clarifications more often than RAW. There was a lot of discussion at the time when the INAT FAQ was being drafted that Grey Knights needed a break because they have a weak and old codex... that in my opinion is how this clarification came about. Like I said it hinges on two words. Look at older versions of other codices that have rules for a force weapon such as the 4th edition SM codex to compare how the rules for a force weapon are presented.

I'm not going to discuss this anymore. People should discuss this in their own local gaming groups or with the TOs at local tournies if this comes up. That is how I would handle it.

G]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/775192.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/775192.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc?
Massed fire from almost anything (S5 and above), in CC:

SS/TH Termies
GK terminators
Grandmaster with NFW )and stormshield, sacred incense, grimoire), gives 6 attacks on charge, with chaos at -1I, and deamons at half WS. whether you'll be using the forceweapon in any way, it will definately hurt some of those guys. (Still 6S6 powerweapons attacks after all).

@GBF: Dont want top open up this discussion, but GM is good anyways .

Grt. Pim]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/775743.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/775743.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/776744.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/776744.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/799455.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/799455.page GMT Re:Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/801929.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/801929.page GMT Re:Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? Vindicare Assasin *sp is great against the night bringer as i learned the hard way]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/801943.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/801943.page GMT Re:Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? CC with a big unit. As long as he's in close combat, he won't be able to run away and kill other stuff, giving you an opportunity to focus on other things, hopefully having the result to crush them without taking too many casualties yourself. After that you can own him.

If you really want to nuke down a special character, I suppose just use a lot of hard hits. Some rolls must be bad enough to wound...

Overall I don't think you should focus too much on special characters. It are the normal soldiers that do the most anyway, special characters mainly scare you, distract you or mop up a few troops. Quite often players don't send their special characters on a suicide run anyway, or is that just something I see in my battles? That also may depend on the army you play, if you got an army with low Leaderships, or troops which tend to flee at the sight of a naked ork, it's good to keep you general close to your army so they can benefit from his LD...

Guess the best thing to do is either ignore the cahracter, or atleast don't focus on him/her too much (unless it's an objective to kill him/her), or try to find the rock-paper-scissors-system (aka, it's very weakness, melee or ranged?)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/813860.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/813860.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/817617.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/817617.page GMT Re:Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc?
Snipers are good against special character, i think (I haven't read the rulebook in a while) they always wound on a 4+? and some have rending? If this is true then they can completely ignore the toughness value of the target and they ignore armour on a 6+ to wound... correct me if i'm wrong


I suppose that could work. But I'm not sure: if the character joined a squad, most snipers can't target him specificly right? The hits/wounds will get divived all over the squad. Not 100% sure but I thought it was something like that. If the character walks alone it's np ofc.
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Daon wrote:If your an ork just get old Zogwort and use his curse to turn it into a Squig

Surprised me that this didn't turn up until page 2. Zogwort's Curse + uber enemy character = hilarious. That's why I snagged a blister of squigs last year, you can't beat the look on your opponent's face.

"Marneus who...? Oh, you mean the squig!" *replace*]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/818068.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/818068.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/818088.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/818088.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc?
Basically a roll off...even for a C'tan.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/818114.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/818114.page GMT Re:Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc?
Chaos Sorcerer + Gift of Chaos = Marneus Calgar turned in to Chaos Spawn!!

(its basically a T test,if you roll equal to or over someones toughness they turn into a spawn!!!
even if ur toughness 8,nightbringer or Wraithlord,it dosent matter, if you roll a 6,regardless of ur T ur a spawn!! lol ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/818116.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/818116.page GMT Re:Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/820369.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/820369.page GMT Best ways to Kill special characters/ creature etc? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/820373.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/242983/820373.page GMT