http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net GW went back to character hammer to keep up with War Machine and Hordes it was much better as a mass combat system were characters did not have such a signifigant effect on the game. Just my humble opinion and new catch phrase "Crutch Hammer"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243055/758565.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243055/758565.page GMT
Also, I'm sure if you keep up calling it Crutch Hammer some 12 year old will feel bad enough to cripple is army by removing Shrike. Good luck!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243055/758584.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243055/758584.page GMT St. John. Now you have to take characters to trump other characters and list compesition itself has devolved into what to take to maximize your characters buffs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243055/758600.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243055/758600.page GMT Lol
"My army was winning so I felt Bad Playing it."

Utter rubbish. If you want Characterhammer play 2nd ed. 5th edition is no more Characterhammer than 4th, and 4th had Elrad...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243055/758607.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243055/758607.page GMT RT,2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th. You do have a point though that it is not quite character hammer. It's more like Warmachine hammer right now. I am guessing from your strong although confusing response that 5th has helped you. (Age 7 and what not) If you have a point please express it beyond dis is rubbish.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243055/758622.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243055/758622.page GMT
That is beyond ridiculous.

A Poor Player with Vulkan will lose just as fast as one without against a Good Player.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243055/758633.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243055/758633.page GMT OP is a troll. Or a very sore loser.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243055/758735.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243055/758735.page GMT
Sure, some of the effects are nasty. Vulkan is especially unpleasant when you run into two squads or ten Terminators with Thunderhammers and Lightning Shields. But the handicap is this...you have to take the character. I can build a nastier killing machine, cheaper, most of the time.

Are there broken characters? Of course there are. Welcome to Warhammer. You don't need a character for the ever popular 'Minimal Scout/Land Raider trio' in 1500 points games, or an Ork Biker Nob Sqaud. Hell, I can't think of any of the really broken army lists, the kind you see at Tournaments, bar maybe Pedro Cantor and the Drop Podding Sternguard of Doom.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243055/758970.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243055/758970.page GMT