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Gorrfang Skullmuncha wrote:First thing i MUST say is that O&G are pure for fun they cant do jack vs competetive armies like VC, Daemons, HE, DE, Lizards

Actually you said they could not do jack.Do not try to be diplomatic when you are just trying to be rude.I hate it when someone thinks they can do that.And if you have trouble with O&G in tournaments I suggest you pick up and use one of the many cookis cutter armies.(VC,Deamons,DE,Lizards.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243242/874602.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243242/874602.page GMT Re:Thinking about starting Goblins. help me get an army list together.
what are your opinions on squig herds and squig hoppers?
i think i like the herds and was going to run full units of like 25 of them but the "explode when they flee" thing kind of makes me nervous about them.
squig hoppers seem to random.

and trolls or giants...?

any help with a general would be appreciated. id like to run skarsnik but we usually exclude special characters.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243242/875570.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243242/875570.page GMT Thinking about starting Goblins. Fills a big gap in the O&G list.

In a friendly game vs low number enemy (ogres, mtd chaos, brets) I'd seriously look at taking 2 herds.

One player here in Brisbane has had good fortune with 4!!! units of squig herds. Runs them up, alternating with fanatic bearing NG units, so when the enemy approach, the fanatics kill enemies, then they hit the squigs who take the charge (ITP) and then either hold or blow up, killing more enemies. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243242/875749.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243242/875749.page GMT Re:Thinking about starting Goblins.
any thoughts on trolls vs giants?
im thinking giants might have the advantage due to goblin leadership and the trolls stupidity.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243242/877165.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243242/877165.page GMT Thinking about starting Goblins.
Unit-wise, Night Goblins are cheaper and - vanilla - have more durability. A 3pt common goblin has a 6+ Save. a 3pt night goblin has a 6+ save against shooting and flank combats, but has a 5+ against frontal assaults. However, Common Goblins have greater durability potential at 3 CG's for 4 NG's. This can be negated however if you keep NG's with HW & Shields and add some netters - still frailer against shooting attacks, but now actually more durable in close-combat than standard Goblins.

For Goblin Characters, Great Weapons and the like are what I take if using mundane weaponry and on foot - it just helps having someone who can bother to deal with armor in a unit. For magical, I take either Ulag's Axe (+1S first round & Re-rolling misses always helps) or the Best Basha (so the goblin can usually hit and wound on 3's).

Personally - though I have eight trolls - I never really use them. They're three WS3 attacks each, and thus cannot usually get enough kills to break the static five of most units. Only times they've really made up points is when attacking things such as Skinks that don't / can't flee (3's and 2's = lots of dead skinks) or units WS ≤ 3 T ≤ 3, as then they can reliably get a few hits while rarely taking as many back.

Giants are a better bet, if they lack durability and become fire-magnets. That's where a second one comes in, or using them entirely for drawing enemy fire / making inexperienced players re-align the army to face the Giant. In return for their lack of armor of any sort, they are unlikely to ever break from combat - use it as a 200pt speed bump to tie up an enemy unit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243242/877522.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243242/877522.page GMT Thinking about starting Goblins.
But looking at how I'd integrate them into a goblin list, they would have to be within 12 inches of the general at all times to get a good chance of passing stupidity.

There is already a hell of alot in a goblin army that needs to be within 12 inches of the general.

I've fought against them in tourneys and without flaming (back when regenerate was not given out willy nilly) I really, really struggled to get through a unit of 3 with black knights. If memory serves they broke only when I got a flank charge with skeles (old VC book)

Giants on the other hand are about as reliable a unit as you are going to get in an O&G army. 6 inch mvt, terror causer (so no psych problems), stubborn Ld 10 (so if lose combat and don't fall you are unlikely to run) and tough.
Their only downside is that they will invariably roll the 1 roll you don't want for attacks, leaving you standing around looking a tool. And I struggle vs units of larger targets, usually because my giants seem to like headbutting.
But when they do work they work a treat, 2 weeks ago vs WOC cav army I stuffed a CK standard bearer, CK muso and a Chaos Lord on daemonic steed down the pants of 1 giant in 1 combat phase. We were both in tears laughing.
I find they work best running in a team of 2 down a flank, with 2 units of squighoppers (my last deployments). It is a nigh on unstoppable freight train that immediately makes my opponent change his plans in response. And once I have him reacting to me I've got the game in the bag....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243242/878392.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243242/878392.page GMT Thinking about starting Goblins.
I plan on taking 2 Giants, mainly because, well, you know...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243242/878483.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243242/878483.page GMT Thinking about starting Goblins.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:But looking at how I'd integrate them into a goblin list, they would have to be within 12 inches of the general at all times to get a good chance of passing stupidity.

You can also - if desperate - stick a character in there with the trolls. While I've never tried it yet, thought of putting a Giant Spider-riding Goblin Big Boss in the unit - doesn't cost much more than a River / Stone troll being added in (actually, for the cost of about two standard trolls you can fit one in with a great weapon). Leaves the unit only Ld7 instead of 8, but that's still within average and can lend to the needed killing power to make trolls effective. Durability is never the concern for them: River Trolls for instance - if fighting a WS≤3 S3 unit - on average take only one wound for every eighteen attacks they face, the same for Stone Trolls. Even bog-standard Trolls take only one wounding hit from twelve of the above type of attacks (or slightly more than the average unit will usually get). But then for attacks back, the trolls have to deal with the fact that they're probably only going to get one wound a model - not enough to beat the static five. When you factor in a WS4 (or 5 w/ the Basha) S4 (5 if you're smart and take some strength-increasing weapon) model that should get 1-2 hits itself and another 1-2 wounds from its mount, getting two-to-four wounds means you might have a shot at breaking, and have a very good chance of holding (especially if within range of a BSB).

There is already a hell of alot in a goblin army that needs to be within 12 inches of the general.

Which is where the terror starts once one unit breaks.

I've fought against them in tourneys and without flaming (back when regenerate was not given out willy nilly) I really, really struggled to get through a unit of 3 with black knights. If memory serves they broke only when I got a flank charge with skeles (old VC book)

Cavalry is one of the spots they do shine, especially if they can take the brunt of a charge (River Trolls work best here). Most Cavalry is going to need either 3's or 4's to wound on the charge (depending on whether they have spears or lances), and either 3's or 4's to hit (4's or 5's if River Troll). The steeds are then usually in the same boat as the WS≤3 S3 infantry. This turns a five-wide front with Command into an average of about one wound - something a unit of trolls can easily manage - when the unit's WS is higher and Strength is 5. Assuming lower WS it turns into something like a seven-to-eight wide unit of cavalry unit, or both strength and weapon skill the steeds become only slightly less effective than the riders. You even get to use your Vomit Attacks afterwards against the Cavalry, which will on average get around two-to-three kills for every three-to-four trolls.

Good anti-cavalry unit, but if your enemy doesn't use Cavalry much (or at all, which is the case at my GW in that there's only one player who uses it and it's one unit of Saurus Cavalry) then you don't get to make much use of this.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243242/878520.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243242/878520.page GMT Re:Thinking about starting Goblins. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243242/878523.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243242/878523.page GMT