http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net An ogre with sword gnoblers benifits from one extra strength 2 attack per combat round per sword gnobler in his possession, at the weapon skill of the owning model

If an ogre is carring a great weapon, do these gnobler attacks go up to strength 4? If he is carrying a magic weapon, do the extra attacks benifit from the magic item rules too? I know this is not Rules as Intended, but by the letter of the book, it seems that the extra attacks do benifit from the owners weapon.

My added thought of proof is the closest similar 'equipment,' a dwarf lord's shield bearers. Those rules specify that the extra attacks do not benifit from the lord's weapon. What do you mighty dakkites think?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/768855.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/768855.page GMT This reminds me of warrior familiars.

It stays at str 2.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/768894.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/768894.page GMT
At the beginning of each close combat round, before blows are struck, the FAMILIAR strikes one S5 hit.....

Not quite the same. It is clear that the hit is from the familiar itself. The sword gnoblers grant the user bonus attacks. Hence the confusion. Thank you for you input however. I appreciate it, and had not considered the chaos familiars.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/768917.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/768917.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/768935.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/768935.page GMT RAW would seems to say yes because they give the owner extra attacks. The gnoblers are apieces of equipment like the Ed kicking boots from the O&G book. Your thoughts?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/769689.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/769689.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/769944.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/769944.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/770207.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/770207.page GMT
Also, the Gnoblar does give your Ogre character an additional Attack. But nowhere does it say that the Gnoblar may get a benefit from the Ogre's weapon, magical or otherwise. The Gnoblar is not using the weapon, the Ogre is. Therefore, the Gnoblar does not get ANY benefit from the Ogre's weapon. RAW states that the Gnoblar's attack is at S2.


Show me where in the OK armybook (Which I do own, BTW) it says that the Gnoblar gains any benefit from the Ogre's weapon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/770412.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/770412.page GMT
RAW written says that the ogre with a sword gnobler gains an extra attack at S2. There is no actual gnobler attacking. The ogre who bought it gets the bonus attack. That is the basis for the defense that these bonus attacks get all the added effects. I know that RAI is the gnobler pokes his head out and stabs some nearby. That makes sense, and thus it should not get the added bonuses. But I need to prove it. The exact wording of; 'An ogre with a sword gnobler gets one extra S2 attack per round.' is the sticking point. The ogre gets bonus attacks. Why would these attacks NOT use his weapon?

I appreciate everyone's help in this matter. Like I said, I am trying to cover any possible arguments this guys might come up with.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/770607.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/770607.page GMT
Edit: to work the way that fellow wants it to, it'd just need to be +1 A for each sword gnoblar.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/770613.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/770613.page GMT The dwarf shield bearers are the closest equivilant to this. And it specifically says that the bonus attacks granted by using them, '...these attacks do not benifit from any weapon,(runic or otherwise), that is carried by the general.

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Simply ask the guy running the tourney if he pushes it. I'm sure you should be fine.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/770740.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/770740.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/770952.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/770952.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/771126.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/771126.page GMT
Another ogre player at my FLGS pointed out that sword gnoblars work with beastkiller, should they manage to wound a large target. I'm pretty sure he's right too, though it's hard to say how that works yet magic weapons don't ...

- Salvage]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/771147.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/771147.page GMT GW vague? No way!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/771946.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/771946.page GMT
I like the models though. I used the leadbelchers to make my Orks!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/774292.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243729/774292.page GMT