Gwar! wrote:No, they will not receive a bonus attack. Nothing Says they get a Power Weapon in Addition to their CCW. Rather it says they Get Power Weapon Attacks. It is a really poorly written rule actually.

The reason the Description says "Weapons" is because they can be modelled to have lots of Gribbly bitz, but always count as having a single Close Combat Weapon.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:If that's true, a 10-man squad with IoK gets 29 point models (who magically rolled a 6) with 5 S5 PW attacks on the charge. It could definitely be worded a little better I think. all of this to say the unit sucks unless you roll a 6.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:While this is completely irrelevant to all but the most friendly of games, I've discovered that Possessed gain +1 attack when they roll to have a Power Weapon (or so I believe). The bit about their abilities says that they gain "an extra" ability or gear. For Power Weapons it says something to the effect of "the weapons of the Possessed glow like Edward from Twilight and are super-magical." Considering that their entry in the back says that they are counted as holding a single close combat weapon, I am correct on this, yes?

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:If that's true, a 10-man squad with IoK gets 29 point models (who magically rolled a 6) with 5 S5 PW attacks on the charge. It could definitely be worded a little better I think. all of this to say the unit sucks unless you roll a 6.

Green Blow Fly wrote:They are hard core when you boost them with Fabius.

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Drudge Dreadnought wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:They are hard core when you boost them with Fabius.

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It is generally accepted that you cannot, and can only enhance regular vanilla marine squads.

Drudge Dreadnought wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:They are hard core when you boost them with Fabius.

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It is generally accepted that you cannot, and can only enhance regular vanilla marine squads.

Canonness Rory wrote:Page 53
"Any Number of Chaos Space Marine Squads....."
Only Chaos Space Marines. RAI and RAW are one and the same here.

Nurglitch wrote:

Drudge Dreadnought wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:They are hard core when you boost them with Fabius.

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It is generally accepted that you cannot, and can only enhance regular vanilla marine squads.

I hadn't heard of this before, but Possessed are actually "Possessed Chaos Space Marines". Ditto for Chosen Chaos Space Marine squads. This is interesting.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I would field these guys over 'zerkers in a second if I knew I'd always roll a 6. A champ's PW costs 15 points so you actually save a point and the cost of the champ upgrade, and get Str 5 and Fearless for free.

Gwar! wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I would field these guys over 'zerkers in a second if I knew I'd always roll a 6. A champ's PW costs 15 points so you actually save a point and the cost of the champ upgrade, and get Str 5 and Fearless for free.

That's why you always have two (and only 2) weighted dice in your collection. One for 1's and 1 for 6's

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I would field these guys over 'zerkers in a second if I knew I'd always roll a 6. A champ's PW costs 15 points so you actually save a point and the cost of the champ upgrade, and get Str 5 and Fearless for free.

That's why you always have two (and only 2) weighted dice in your collection. One for 1's and 1 for 6's

You know, the rulebook never clarifies what a "six-sided die" is. By all rights, it could be a die with 6s on every side. It would therefore be "six-sided."

Green Blow Fly wrote:Sorry but Possessed are indeed Chaos SM. It would be like saying a convertible Corvette is not a Corvette just because you can also drop the top. This all goes back to the question where does the codex define just what is a Chaos SM.

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Brother Ramses wrote:It specifically says "Chaos Space Marine squad". I am at a loss at how anyone can extend it beyond a "Chaos Space Marine squad".

Drudge Dreadnought wrote:

Argument 1) He can enhance "Chaos Space Marines" and only 1 type of unit in the army list is called that.

Argument 2) He can enhance "Chaos Space Marines". In the unit description Havocs, Chosen, and Bikers are all under the heading of "Chaos Space Marines" on page 26-27

Argument 3) The entire codex is "Chaos Space Marines". This seems flawed however, as there are things in the codex that are most certainly NOT chaos space marines (daemons, vehicles).

When it comes down to it, nobody knows. The safest option is 1. However, it makes Bile pretty bad. If you go with 2, it makes Bile armies cooler and more interesting while still being far from competitive. I'd never complain about somone using 2 personally, but thats my RAI.