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OK - so I know Terminators can teleport, but what about the Guard? Specifically, could artillery be teleported into a cavern if you had an advance team down there w/ a homing device?

thanks!
Paul

In the Grim Darkness of the 21st Millenium, there is only Wal-Mart.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/794697.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/794697.page GMT Teleportation http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/794835.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/794835.page GMT Teleportation IIRC it was said that only Terminator armor could reliably make the trip and have the target arive uninjured and sane.

On the other hand, Imperial Tunnlers pop up in fluff fairly often. They'd probibly lead the artillery convoy with a tunnler and drill their way into the cavern.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/795333.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/795333.page GMT Teleportation http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/795377.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/795377.page GMT Re:Teleportation http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/795397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/795397.page GMT Teleportation http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/798481.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/798481.page GMT Teleportation http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/798679.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/798679.page GMT Teleportation
GrrBear wrote:Actually I think that the imperium uses the necron method of teleporting. Either way it is technology that is too expensive to issue to the likes of imperial guard, heck space marines usually send only their best through (terminators/Grey knights).


The Imperial forces travel through the Warp. There's a lovely story in the Daemonhunters codex when Brother-Captain Stern being warped in to kill a corrupted plantary governor who had been dealing with daemons and describes the trip down.

No one's sure how the Necrons get around, but it isn't through the warp itself. Can't be. They can't stand it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/798882.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/798882.page GMT Re:Teleportation
Regwon wrote:Eldar warp spidres can teleport a bit. Necrons can teleport about quite happily. Even monolits and their ships can teleport. But whereas eldar and imperial teleporters use the ward to move people, necrons use means unknown, possible through some sort of other crazy dimension that we haven't been told about.


Also keep in mind that the Eldar use the webway when possible. Warp spiders can teleport through the warp pretty much at will, but at risk of losing not only their life, but quite possibly their soul.

I don't think many guardsmen could travel "naked" through the warp and remain mentally or spiritually intact after the teleport. Space marines, particularly 1st company, have the sort of mental conditioning and spiritual strength that regular men just do not have.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/800344.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/800344.page GMT Teleportation
As slaneesh actively hunts eldar in the warp, warp spiders are under constant threat while transitioning the warp. The chance one of them gets caught by deamons while jumping is high.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/806610.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/806610.page GMT Teleportation http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/807550.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/807550.page GMT Teleportation http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/807559.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/807559.page GMT Teleportation 40k universe?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/811574.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/811574.page GMT Teleportation http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/811579.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/811579.page GMT Teleportation
Orkeosaurus wrote:The snotlings certainly aren't happy about that.


Neither are the things they end up inside of.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/812571.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/812571.page GMT Teleportation http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/813616.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/813616.page GMT Teleportation http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/813621.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/813621.page GMT Teleportation
This is one resona why imperial gard dont have the tec, its jsut to complicated and valuable to be given to them. Secodly they simply would not survive the trip, only a spacemariens highly developed body can survive the trip and not without a seut of power armore to protect him, even then there can be maby accidents.

The masters of telapoter tecknology are Necrons and the Orcs. Necrons arnt realy alive so its no problem for them, and Orcs..well thier orcs. They can telapot unite after unite down to a planits serfice with no problems at all (untill a grot gets stuk in the gears and it blows up). Orcs bodys are so tuff they can survive trasport with no problems, in adition thier highly unstable technology alowes them to telapot whole vehicals as well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/820708.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/820708.page GMT Teleportation http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/820720.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/820720.page GMT Teleportation
Lukus83 wrote:I would seriously doubt the orks are masters of any technology.


They are of Teleportation.

oddly enough.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/820731.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/820731.page GMT Teleportation
The thing is their technological capability is based off of inborn encoding, which is then expressed through dangerously unbalanced meks. This tends to put their functional technological level way below what they're capable of. There are times when ork technology is quite amazing, however (Shokk Attack Guns being a good examples. The portability and availability of their Kustom Force Fields being another good one).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/822770.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/822770.page GMT Teleportation
I'm not sure what kind of equipment or protection the people being transported would need, but I think it's safe to say that Terminator armor isn't a requirement, since most Imperial ships don't carry Space Marines, much less Terminators.

I'm wondering though, why the heck would anyone want to transport an artillery piece into an enclosed cavern? So they can blow themselves up? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/822951.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/822951.page GMT Teleportation
Lukus83 wrote:I would seriously doubt the orks are masters of any technology.


What?

Find me something mechanical an Ork cant loot and rebuild then come back.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/823178.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/823178.page GMT Teleportation IG wouldn't risk one of their big tanks as without a beacon the chances of going off in a different direction or scattering are very high.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/824105.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/824105.page GMT Teleportation
In my mind the great masters of tech are necrons and tau. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825101.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825101.page GMT Teleportation ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825134.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825134.page GMT Teleportation
Tau (and Necros too) invented thier on junk.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825147.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825147.page GMT Teleportation
Emperors Faithful wrote:Orks are more like scavengers, ripping off whatever tech they find.

Tau (and Necros too) invented thier on junk.
Um. No? Orks build their own things, they just supplement it with stuff they take from other races should it be convenient to do so. Their technological capabilities come from the Brainboys and from the obsessive and dangerously inquisitive nature of the meks.


The Tau Empire actually has the worst technology in the game from a standpoint of maximum advancement (ignoring Tyranids and minor races). Their technological capability just looks good because they apply their most advanced technology in a far more widespread fashion than anyone else (except perhaps the Necrons).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825225.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825225.page GMT Teleportation
What do you mean Tau have the worst tech?
What makes thier tech bad?

Mabye there rail guns are all eco friendly and use up minimal energy. For orks, more is more, and less can go bugger off. They are extravagant, singleminded and put RAW POWER before something like energy efficiency or how long it can last.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825272.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825272.page GMT Teleportation
Emperors Faithful wrote:Orks have RIPPED OFF tech. Brainboys have figured out how to manipulate higher tech. Not make it on thier own.
The Brainboys certainly were capable of making their own technology. They created the orks with it.

Meks have an inborn knowledge of mechanical principles, and they're naturally inclined to learn how to put those principles into play very quickly. They're certainly capable of making their own technology as well, unless you discount it on the principle that they didn't discover the basic technological principles themselves, in which case anyone who's read a book on their subject would have "ripped off" their invention.

What do you mean Tau have the worst tech?
What makes thier tech bad?
The best technology they have available to them is simply less advanced than what other races have. They have nothing that compares to a Shokk Attack Gun or a Warlord Titan or Wraithbone Armor in terms of technological advancement. What they do have is a very good distribution of their technology, which ensures that what advancements they do have are present on the battlefield in large quantities (unlike the rare things other races tend to keep locked up).

Mabye there rail guns are all eco friendly and use up minimal energy. For orks, more is more, and less can go bugger off. They are extravagant, singleminded and put RAW POWER before something like energy efficiency or how long it can last.
The tau aren't actually the Japanese.

Energy efficiency doesn't matter if you produce enough energy anyways. Durability is often less important than ease of building and repairing.

Besides, I'm not saying that ork technology is more efficient than tau technology, I'm saying it operates under more advanced principles.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825438.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825438.page GMT Teleportation
Orkeosaurus wrote:
The tau aren't actually the Japanese.


Close enough. One could certainly be forgiven for thinking so. God help any space whales in 40k. (Do Hive fleets count?)

Anyway, orks to not truly UNDERSTAND how stuff works, they know it DOES work and how to make it work, but not HOW it works.
The Tau understand their tech.

Imperium is a lot like orks now actually, rellying heavily on STCs (manuals) for anything.

Please point out the most advanced orky stuff, and I will try to list stuff that beats it.

Zzapp Gun:
-Termie Teleporters
-Warp Spiders
...Actually, they are pretty much the only stuff that teleports.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825775.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825775.page GMT Teleportation
Emperors Faithful wrote:Close enough. One could certainly be forgiven for thinking so. God help any space whales in 40k. (Do Hive fleets count?)
Void Whales do.

Anyway, orks to not truly UNDERSTAND how stuff works, they know it DOES work and how to make it work, but not HOW it works.
The Tau understand their tech.
That's half true. Meks understand quite a bit of engineering and physics, but they generally understand these things on a basic, subconscious level. They don't study them abstractly, so they only understand the concepts in relation to their technological use, and they're probably not able to communicate anything about them beyond "ded shooty" unless they're talking to another mek.

Imperium is a lot like orks now actually, rellying heavily on STCs (manuals) for anything.
Orks never rely on templates, though. They rely on templates less than anyone else. Different mek inventions use the same principles, but most have a huge amount of variation between them.

Please point out the most advanced orky stuff, and I will try to list stuff that beats it.

Zzapp Gun:
-Termie Teleporters
-Warp Spiders
...Actually, they are pretty much the only stuff that teleports.
You're actually thinking of a Shokk Attack Gun, Zzap Guns shoot lightning (also fairly advanced, but not quite as useful, unfortunately).

Terminator teleporters aren't more advanced than the SAG, they're stationed aboard huge ships. Warp Spider jump packs are advanced, but they're used in such a different manner it's hard to compare. For one thing, though, they teleport in short bursts instead of huge snotling waves, and they have a much more limited range.

The fluff teleporters used by orks (such as the ones on Armageddon) are even better. They transported a huge number of orks, a feat that the Imperium would have a great deal of trouble trying to match. (Eldar webways are great in that regard, of course, but that's using the webway network.)

Also, Kustom Force Fields can protect a huge area while still being carried by one ork. I don't know of anything that can compare to that; the dire avenger shimmer-shield is similar, but only covers one unit. I think Azrael has something similar as well, but I'm also pretty sure that's a one-of-a-kind artifact.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825824.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825824.page GMT Teleportation
Lukus83 wrote:I would seriously doubt the orks are masters of any technology.
Ghazkull made a deal with a warlord who had a bunch of meks. He traded an alliance for the information on how to make teleporta's. Also the shokk attack gun.


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Orkesaurus, thing is meks have absolutely NO knowledge. They only have skill, big difference ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825831.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825831.page GMT Teleportation ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825838.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825838.page GMT Teleportation
Orkeosaurus wrote:It says plainly in the ork codex that they have an inherent knowledge of technological principles. If you don't like the wording take it up with Games Workshop.
GW has bad gramar If you are born with something it is a skill, if you learn something it is knowledge. Meks never study anything they are just born with the skill.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825848.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/825848.page GMT Teleportation
Anyway, I believe we can all agree that Ork tech is the least RELIABLE.

While the Shock Attack Gun does teleport snotlings, half of them get sucked into the warp or driven insane. A very bad ratio compared to the ability of Spaz Marinz and Eldar. Also, Spaz marinz teleport HUGE differences.

Ork tech gets more gretchin and boys killed than the enemy. That much is certain.

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orkishlyorkish wrote:
Orkeosaurus wrote:It says plainly in the ork codex that they have an inherent knowledge of technological principles. If you don't like the wording take it up with Games Workshop.
GW has bad gramar If you are born with something it is a skill, if you learn something it is knowledge. Meks never study anything they are just born with the skill.
So you can't learn a skill?

Emperors Faithful wrote:Well they do kind of experiment.

Anyway, I believe we can all agree that Ork tech is the least RELIABLE.

While the Shock Attack Gun does teleport snotlings, half of them get sucked into the warp or driven insane. A very bad ratio compared to the ability of Spaz Marinz and Eldar. Also, Spaz marinz teleport HUGE differences.

Ork tech gets more gretchin and boys killed than the enemy. That much is certain.

...Orkesaurus, are you gonna cuase some trouble? (roll up sleeves)
Oim alwuz reddy fer a scrap!

I'll agree on them being the least reliable. Although, snotlings are all driven insane with the trip, that's half the point!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/827172.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/827172.page GMT Teleportation
What do you class as ADVANCED?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/828791.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/828791.page GMT Teleportation
Force fields and teleporters are some of the more advanced technology in 40k. Presumably, because they're not related to anything that actually exists right now.

(Why doesn't my spell check understand the word "teleport"?)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/829152.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/829152.page GMT Teleportation
Anyway, I really do think that the Brainboyz, if they existed, were not orks. (Heard they may have been old ones). And orks only really don't MAKE, or COME UP with, new tech. They scavenge it. Like, um, that warboss who found a derelict Necron Tomb world and teched out his fleet with the pylons and guass stuff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/830076.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/830076.page GMT Teleportation
They may be related to the 'krork' created by the Old Ones.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/830162.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/830162.page GMT Teleportation
Emperors Faithful wrote: I really do think that the Brainboyz, if they existed, were not orks. (Heard they may have been old ones)


In the realy old fluff the Brainboyz were the intelagent master race of the greenskins, but the mushrooms that grew on thier home planet died out and they then became the snotlings.

Acording to the new fluff however (takeing this from the Necron rule book) all the greenskins (Orks, gretchin, snotlings ans well as squigs) were created by the Krork, a race created (not long after the Eldar) in the Old ones war with the C'tan. The Krork, for whatever reson, were ding out and they wanted their creations to continue on living without them. to make sure that they would survive they introduced the racial memory with all thier technology. Unforchanutly most orcs can barly comprihend this so the Mech gene was introduced who would be inteligent anuff to use some of the Krork's tech.

Weve strayed a fair bit, isnt this ment to be a telaportation thred? I first mentiond Orks jsut to say that they were realy good at telaportation and when I come back all youve done is argued about the merits of orcs and wether its knwolege or skill . Go back to talking about Telaportation again.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/840502.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/840502.page GMT Teleportation http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/841607.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/841607.page GMT Teleportation http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/841615.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/841615.page GMT Teleportation
There's teleportation, transmaterialization (trans-mat), and transduction.

Teleportation is what it sounds like: The part of reality to be transported is dematerialized in one location, transmitted as information to a destination where it materializes. This is dangerous as data can be corrupted, leading to incomplete transmission, loss of packets, jamming, and cross-materialization with other bits of reality on arrival, like solid rock, if there isn't a proper receiver on the other end. Plus, the whole dematerialization, pure information, rematerialization requires transmission through the Warp and is essentially daemonology.

Human, Ork, and Eldar use teleportation technology because they have relatively strong Warp-presences, and that means less of the being needs to be dematerialized, and in the case of Orks a strong link binding them to the material extensions of their gesalt which allows them to execute mass teleportation. By comparison, the Eldar have it the worst, since She Who Thirsts actively draws upon Eldar souls. The relatively weak psychic presences of Human souls thus make teleportation both difficult, and relatively safe.

Transmaterialization doesn't bugger around with the interface between the material world and the Realm of Chaos, as the matter that it being transported is simply altered to a transmittable format and shot in the right direction. However, transmat beams can be intercepted by all sorts of things, depending on the composition, frequency, and power of the transmat beam. Incepting a transmat beam is very dangerous, because interacting with the beam will affect the reconstitution of matter at the other end. Still, once you've gotten the hang of all the relative dimensions in time and space, transmat technology is like a cart and buggy: crude.

Transduction technology is the cat's meow. It's what the Time Lord use to shunt time capsules around their docking bays, for example. The basic idea is that, essentially, space and time can be folded and unfolded like transdimensional origami to resituate the co-relative space-time co-ordinates of any particular quanta of space-time in relation to another quanta. It's also used to protect Gallifrey from intrusion, by putting an effectively infinite amount of space between Gallifrey and its dependent reality, and occasionally in tailoring, interior decorating, and data storage. As a consequence of such nigh-absolute power, the Gallifreyans are surprisingly primitive when it comes to fashion, computing, and other accoutrements of what one typically considers high-tech civilization.

The Necrons use transduction technology, although clearly their mastery of this technology is nowhere near that of the Time Lords. No doubt this is due to lacking the Gallifreyan sensitivity to movement in time, and their own somewhat stagnated infrastructure (they lack a super-massive black hole like the Eye of Harmony, perhaps due to underdeveloped stellar manipulator technology). Still, they can use it to appear to move capsules faster than light by moving through less curved dimensions of space-time than the four branes upon which most humanity understands itself to exist, and they can use it to recover damaged Necrons, or simply move them around. As yet, however, they cannot use it to move pieces of Necron techology with organic computing component, or any that use zero-point power plants, due to the unpredictability of these item's link to the non-material of the Warp.

Bending space and time is fairly predictable, economically speaking, given the lawful nature of the Material Universe. But material objects with a strong Warp-presence, even a negative presence, will deform less and less predictably. While zero-point power plants depend on drawing limitless power from the material vacuum of the Warp, they depend upon extremely precise geometries to ensure that warp-energy materializes as a particular 'material' energy (weak force, strong force, EM, etc) rather than crystallizing as hydrogen or worse. The Cadian Pylons are one application of this warp-dampening technology, enforces structure on the nothingness of the Warp that bleeds into our Galaxy from the Eye of Terror. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/841686.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/841686.page GMT Teleportation
Cheese Elemental wrote:I don't see the Imperium successfully teleporting power armoured Spess Mehrens en-masse.


100 grey knights teleported directly in front of Angron in the 1st War for Armageddon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/841736.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/841736.page GMT Teleportation
Besides, just look how bad Imperial teleportation can be. The Imperial Fists First Company got fethed up when a few cultists performed some kind of ritual that teleported them into solid rock.

There isn't even any indication that Ork teleportation utilises Warp travel. It could use a different dimension to travel, like Necrons do.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/841945.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/841945.page GMT Teleportation

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And now that you mention it, only the warp spiders DEFINITELY go through the warp, Imperium might use different technology too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/841947.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/841947.page GMT Teleportation
Oh, and Navigators have 'Warp-sight', which lets them guide ships through the Warp.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/842102.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/842102.page GMT Teleportation How do orks travel if not through the warp?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/842395.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/842395.page GMT Teleportation http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/843248.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/843248.page GMT Teleportation (And you haven't answered the Termie-Teleport question.)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/843601.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/843601.page GMT Teleportation
Orkeosaurus wrote:I'm pretty sure everyone but the Necrons go through the warp, for teleportation and for space travel (although the tau skip across the surface instead of plunging in).

No, the Warp is anathema to the Necrons. They can't stand it, which is why they want to seal it off.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/843657.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/843657.page GMT Teleportation
Orkeosaurus wrote:I'm pretty sure everyone but the Necrons go through the warp

everyone but the Necrons



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With regards to Emperor's, I just said ork tech was better; as in, it's more compact, requires less maintenance, teleports more, would be more reliable if it wasn't actually built and maintained by lazy grots and psychotic meks who still have it operating surprisingly well considering. Also, the orks can manufacture it much easier, as teleportation technology is really high-level mechanicus stuff for the Imperium.

I don't know what your question about termies was; could you repeat it? Was it the gray knights you were talking about?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/844012.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/844012.page GMT Teleportation (You answered how people space travel)

You just said ork tech requires less maintenence, yet you then said that it sucks becuase it is maintained by lazy grots? How does it teleport way more? (remebemer, Piscina V didn't teleport them ALL AT ONCE), also, I would say that this kind of ork tech is not found in every meks backyard, it is a rarity to be sure.

Only aspects that it beats the Imperium is in two things.
1) It seems to be made out of stuff the mek found lying around (could be a bad thing)

2) Slighty more sturdy, yet always liable to collaspe.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/844153.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/844153.page GMT Teleportation
Less maintenance and lazy grots kind of go hand in hand; ork teleporters work okay despite not being very wel maintained, while Imperial teleporters require highly trained techpriests to maintain and operate them.

While not every mek has a teleporter in his backyard, they're still more common among the orks than among the Imperium. The Imperium only hauls them around on ancient battle barges or battle ships the size of cities. The only things they can usually afford to teleport (and equip for teleportation) are elite things like terminators or gray knights, or things that absolutely need to reach the planet's surface. Even the elite of the elite space marines usually drop pod down.

Also, yes, Gray Knights travel through the warp. (Actually, I believe Gray Knight marines teleport as well as the terminators).

While I'm at it, I should probably mention that mastery of force field and teleportation technology was emphasised a lot more in the older fluff than it is now. The current ork codex doesn't seem to make much of a distinction regarding ork expertise with those specific areas.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/844230.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/844230.page GMT Teleportation
(I'm surprised that the tech-advanced tau don't teleport.)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/844392.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/844392.page GMT Teleportation
And yeah, the Imperials teleport through the Warp the same as everyone else. There's a story in the back of the Daemonhunters book that describes in detail when Brother-Captain Stern and his Terminators teleport in, and mentions the warp things at the edge of his perception...and that they're going through the warp, I seem to recall.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/844448.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/844448.page GMT Teleportation http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/844451.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/844451.page GMT Teleportation http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/844559.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/844559.page GMT Teleportation
No. The memories are too horrible.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/844593.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/844593.page GMT Teleportation http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/844615.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/844615.page GMT Teleportation
Emperors Faithful wrote:It still seems that Imperium has more teleportas than orks. Most meks will not have tellyportas. Only the biggest, baddest lot of them (Nazdreg ect.). Also how is their Teleportation device more "better-er" than other races?
The Imperium doesn't have more teleporters than the orks; while not ever mek has one, they're not uncommon among the big meks, and there's a lot more big meks in the ork race than there are Imperial battleships and other craft that carry teleporters in the Imperium.

In terms of better, their teleporters teleport more with less effort put into them. For the Imperium to make a teleporter capable of teleporting the amount the orks can, it would take much more time and effort. Conversely, if the orks and the Imperium put the same amount of time and effort into a teleporter, the orks would have one with more capacity. That's not necessarily terrible for the Imperium, since what they build will likely be used for centuries, while what the orks build will probably get blown up by someone within a few weeks of it getting in line. Much like the superiority in their titan-building ability, they need to be superior just to stay in place.

(I'm surprised that the tech-advanced tau don't teleport.)
The Tau aren't that advanced, they just distribute their advanced technology (such as grav tanks) throughout their empire, and continue to make improvements and further research into it.

Whereas the AdMech would just say "It's secret! Go built a regular tank!".

Jon Garrett wrote:I was under the impression that for the mass teleports performed by the Orks they required only the telporter itself but a receiver, located in a Rok that got dropped to the planet. Only then could they actually teleport large numbers of troops in one go. Otherwise they're no better and likely worse than the Imperial versions.
I think everyone with teleportation technology benefits from dedicated receivers, but I know orks teleport masses of troops onto space hulks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/845084.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/845084.page GMT Teleportation
Orkeosaurus wrote:
Emperors Faithful wrote:It still seems that Imperium has more teleportas than orks. Most meks will not have tellyportas. Only the biggest, baddest lot of them (Nazdreg ect.). Also how is their Teleportation device more "better-er" than other races?
The Imperium doesn't have more teleporters than the orks; while not ever mek has one, they're not uncommon among the big meks, and there's a lot more big meks in the ork race than there are Imperial battleships and other craft that carry teleporters in the Imperium.

In terms of better, their teleporters teleport more with less effort put into them. For the Imperium to make a teleporter capable of teleporting the amount the orks can, it would take much more time and effort. Conversely, if the orks and the Imperium put the same amount of time and effort into a teleporter, the orks would have one with more capacity. That's not necessarily terrible for the Imperium, since what they build will likely be used for centuries, while what the orks build will probably get blown up by someone within a few weeks of it getting in line. Much like the superiority in their titan-building ability, they need to be superior just to stay in place.


How do you know there are more big meks than spacecraft and termie-teleportas? Also, both require the same amount of effort (orks a little less becuase it is ramshackle), orks just take less time becuase it is thrown together by thousands of gretchin and doesn't look like anything special. How is ork tech MORE advanced?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/845738.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/845738.page GMT Teleportation http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/846566.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/846566.page GMT Teleportation
But as long as they believe that the teleporters work, they will. Just like Red Paint Jobs and noisy weapons.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/846615.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/846615.page GMT Teleportation http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/846619.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/846619.page GMT Teleportation
Cheese Elemental wrote:Grey Knights are psykers. They have relative control over where they go in the Warp, and thus can withstand Warp travel without Terminator armour.



You don't need to have Terminator armor or be a psyker to be able to teleport (relatively) safely. Imperial cruisers and battleships can teleport boarding parties aboard enemy ships pretty often. It's a pretty standard tactic, and none of the Imperial Navy crews are regularly equipped with power armor, much less Terminator armor.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/846793.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245449/846793.page GMT