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Thanks in advance]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/796215.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/796215.page GMT Artillery and blast weapons
All the Blast marker does is determine how many models (gun or crew) are hit. Once you know that, roll to see WHAT gets hit.

Any Gun Models are hit at Full Strength, because you do not use the Rules for Blasts against Vehicles on Artillery, you use the rules for Hits against Artillery.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/796218.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/796218.page GMT Re:Artillery and blast weapons
Artillery rules, you roll for two hits. 1-4 it hits the gun, 5,6 it hits the crewman.

The blast itself having a hole over nothing, why would it not be a half strength hit against AV 10 if you roll 1-4?

I don't have my book in front of me right now to check, but I don't recall anything in the artillery section saying to disregard pieces of the blast rules.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/797076.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/797076.page GMT Re:Artillery and blast weapons
Kaaihn wrote:Blast lands, with template hole on nothing, but covering one crewman and one gun.

Artillery rules, you roll for two hits. 1-4 it hits the gun, 5,6 it hits the crewman.

The blast itself having a hole over nothing, why would it not be a half strength hit against AV 10 if you roll 1-4?

I don't have my book in front of me right now to check, but I don't recall anything in the artillery section saying to disregard pieces of the blast rules.
Because you do not follow the Rules for hitting vehicles. You instead just count as hitting the Gun with the Blast Weapon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/797080.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/797080.page GMT Re:Artillery and blast weapons http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/797122.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/797122.page GMT Artillery and blast weapons http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/797146.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/797146.page GMT Re:Artillery and blast weapons str 4 AP 6 hit per model touched. Any vehicles hit suffer a str 2 AP 6 against the armor facing touched.

From memory, artillery rules add an extra layer after blast instructions are done to make a final determination which models in the unit are truly hit. I don't recall how that would change how blast functions.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/797664.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/797664.page GMT Re:Artillery and blast weapons
Kaaihn wrote:That doesn't sound right. A frag missile lands. Any infantry models hit suffer a str 4 AP 6 hit per model touched. Any vehicles hit suffer a str 2 AP 6 against the armor facing touched.

From memory, artillery rules add an extra layer after blast instructions are done to make a final determination which models in the unit are truly hit. I don't recall how that would change how blast functions.
It doesn't. However, the rules for Blasts only causing Half Strength hits on vehicles if the hole is not over them, only applies to vehicles. Artillery units are not vehicles, even though the Gun Models follow some of the rules for them. As such, you follow the rules for artillery, which state that you randomise the hits. It doesn't say "Randomise the hits then work out the strength as per the blast weapons against vehicles rules for any Blast weapons that hit a Gun", it just says to randomise the hits. Remember the Blast marker against a Non vehicle unit is just a Marker to see how many get hit, nothing else.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/797671.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/797671.page GMT Re:Artillery and blast weapons http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/797840.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/797840.page GMT Re:Artillery and blast weapons
BGB Pgg. 55 wrote:

Artillery consists of a number of crewman models and the guns models themselves. These Units are quite complex as they include some vehicle models and some infantry models. The gun models are treated as vehicles with an Armour Rating of 10 (see vehicles section).



Unlike other vehicles (see next section) the gun models cannot fire if they moved at all in that turn's Movement phase.


It seems clear to me that not only are artillery gun models counted as vehicles, but also, any way in which they differ from normal vehicles are explicitly stated in the artillery rules.

The law of 'break no rule' means that not only do you determine randomly what models in an artillery unit are hit (after determining what the number of hits are using the blast marker), but also, any hits against the gun model are at half strength if the hole is not over the 'hull' of the gun (and yes I realize that people will argue about what constitutes the hull of a gun).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/797966.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/797966.page GMT Artillery and blast weapons http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/797996.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/797996.page GMT Artillery and blast weapons str+d6 or 1/2str+d6 for armor pen?

Does a gun have a hull? If not, it always takes blasts at 1/2str. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/798001.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/798001.page GMT Artillery and blast weapons http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/798003.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/798003.page GMT Artillery and blast weapons http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/798009.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/798009.page GMT Re:Artillery and blast weapons gun barrels are ignored, so the mounting is included in the hull. A look at the Thunderfire Cannon, Ork Lobba, and the Ork Kannon will demonstrate that this can be a significant portion of the model. Seeing as how most of the time the hole won't be over the 'hull' anyway, trying to claim that blasts would never get full strength against artillery guns is TFG thinking of the worst kind; The scatter and half strength go a long way to mitigate the artillery's biggest weakness in the first place, don't try to stretch it out into 'easter egg' proportions.


EDIT: Clarity and spelling.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/798410.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245554/798410.page GMT