<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "1500 Point CSM"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 1500 Point CSM HQ’s
-Abaddon the Despoiler--------------------------------------------------------275
-Daemon Prince (Wings 20 Pts, Mark of Nurgle 20 Pts, Gift of Chaos 30)-180

Troops
-9 Thousand Sons---------------------------------------------------------------207
-1 Aspiring Sorcerer (Bolt of Change)-----------------------------------------85

Heavy Support
-3 Obliterators--------------------------------------------------------------------225

Tanks
-Land Raider----------------------------------------------------------------------220
-Defiler----------------------------------------------------------------------------150

Total-------------------------------------------------------------------------------1,500

Its 1500 points and so far has done some work. I am open to suggestions however. I have many other units to work with(including greater daemon) but so far this one has proved most useful. The only thing i really do not like about it is how low i am in actual troops. Suggestions?
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/797782.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/797782.page GMT 1500 Point CSM http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/797791.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/797791.page GMT Re:1500 Point CSM http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/797793.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/797793.page GMT Re:1500 Point CSM LR doing? Just transporting Abaddon? What is the focus here? Who goes with Abaddon? Thousand Suns suck in cc. This army just leaves a bad taste in my mouth to be honest.

I'd take a Deamon Prince with Mark of Tzeench (with Bolt of Change and Warptime)
-for fluff reasons plus he would be a cc and ranged threat.

-1 squad of 7 TS and a sorcerer with a basic rhino
-shooty and anti armor 3+ and fits the theme

-2 squads of 10 CSM with Asp champ w powerfist, 2 assault weapons, mark of chaos glory and a base rhino for each squad

-3 oblits

-defiler

This would have more guys and would be less vulnerable to massed anti armor (which everyone has). Also looks much less like you are just running a mash up of the all the cheese you can get. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/797833.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/797833.page GMT Re:1500 Point CSM http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/797854.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/797854.page GMT Re:1500 Point CSM
You are also not allowed to have two separate units in a single transport, which means one of your 5 man 1Ksons squads would be open to enemy shooting.

You have little shooting yourself because you are spending so many points on expensive models, with the demons prince, landraider and abbadon, none of which have any real synergy with each other. Landraiders are terribly overpriced if you are simply going to use them as gunboats. Defilers are overpriced for what is essentially an AV12 battlecannon. With nothing to support him, your prince will get shot, charged and killed before he can do any real damage. Is abbadon just going to hangout in a landraider all day waiting for someone to blow it up?

Gift of chaos is a terrible power because it relies far to much on luck. If you dont roll that 6 you are screwed.

This list is generally awful, not to mention illegal. You have too few troops choices (one less than the minimum) so how to you expect to win in objective games? Do you just autolose 2/3rds of the games you play because you only have one scoring unit and not enough firepower to kill all the other guys troops?

The problem is you are trying to do too many things at once and you're just making a hash of it.

If you want to use the landraider and abbado then you need to get soem fast assault elements to go with them. Get some khorne berzerkers and have them drive up to things and kill them.

If you want to go for a more shooting route, drop the landraider and abbadon and get some noise marines or plague marines and more oblits.

1Ksons arent good so you wll probably want to get rid of them altogether.

At the moment most 1500pt lists posted on this forum will wipe the floor with you (if they even play an illegal army).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/798011.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/798011.page GMT 1500 Point CSM CSM squads with 2x Melta and Powerfist then the HQ of choice (Sorcerer or DP w/Warptime) and go from there. Abaddon is not worth using below 2500 or outside apocalypse. Land Riader and Defiler splashed are random, don't use them without a plan. Oblitz are ok to splash since they're so damn versatile. Just have a plan, don't pick random units.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/798021.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/798021.page GMT Re:1500 Point CSM
Two squads of 1Ksons need two sorcerers t lead them, so you list still isnt legal. You need to fill two troops choices on the force org chart to make it legal. 1Ksons are not space marines, so cant be split into combat squads.


Thousand sons do not require aspiring sorcerers to lead. If they do not have an aspiring sorcerer then they are considered slow and purposeful. The fact you do not know this leads me to question your whole comment.

Gift of chaos is a risky gamble but thus far it has more than worked for me.

I do agree that Abaddon is to expensive of a choice, and i will most likely just replace him with an upgraded chaos lord for less points and generally the same effects. and the land raider does need more of a planned use for its massive points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/798037.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/798037.page GMT 1500 Point CSM http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/798069.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/798069.page GMT Re:1500 Point CSM IG codex, that you're going to be looking at a loss by turn 3 most of the time.

You need more troops, and to limit the high amount of points you're investing into powerful units. Esp for a low point cost game.

You need more targets, or else the ones you need to win you the game are just going to get focus fired, and your one squad of troops is only going to be able to contest an objective for about 1 turn before being blown off the board by mass fire.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/798253.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/798253.page GMT Re:1500 Point CSM MoN and Wings. Take off Gift of Chaos too. Here is a list I came up with.

HQ
-Daemon Prince (Wings 20 Pts, Mark of Nurgle 20 Pts)-150
-Daemon Prince (Wings 20 Pts, Mark of Nurgle 20 Pts)-150

Troops
-9 Thousand Sons---------------------------------------------------------------207
-1 Aspiring Sorcerer (Bolt of Change)-----------------------------------------85
-Rhino-----------------------------------------------------------------------------35

-9 Thousand Sons---------------------------------------------------------------207
-1 Aspiring Sorcerer (Bolt of Change)-----------------------------------------85
-Rhino-----------------------------------------------------------------------------35


Heavy Support
-3 Obliterators--------------------------------------------------------------------225

Tanks
-Defiler w/two cc weapons----------------------------------------------------------------------------150
-Defiler w/two cc weapons----------------------------------------------------------------------------150

Total-------------------------------------------------------------------------------1,479


In my opinion this still is not enough bodies but I tried to fit it with whatever your theme was.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/798271.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/798271.page GMT 1500 Point CSM http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/798394.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245662/798394.page GMT