<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "What is a good size for fantasy calvary units? ( xbow / corsair / witch elves) ?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net What is a good size for fantasy calvary units? ( xbow / corsair / witch elves) ?
Coldone Knights?

Chaos Knights?

Chaos Marauder?

Tomb King heavy calvary?
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Too many means you're wasting points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/798469.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/798469.page GMT Re:What is a good size for fantasy calvary units? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/798495.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/798495.page GMT What is a good size for fantasy calvary units?
Also, never take a standard, but that should be obvious. Champions can be lovely, providing more of what we love - Killy power! Also, the option of challenging, especially on the turn you charge, is always a bonus.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/798564.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/798564.page GMT What is a good size for fantasy calvary units?
RZ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/798983.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/798983.page GMT What is a good size for fantasy calvary units? Str 5+ attack on the charge, +1 CR (+bonuses for standards), and the potential tie-breaker in a musician are worth the cost.

The exclusions to this rule of mine would be Dragon Princes, Cold ones cav, and any other cav unit with a base of 2 attacks. Since a Unit of 5 is going to have at least 10 base attacks (before mounts and characters) the points spent on a champion could be better spent elsewhere. The musician and standard are still necessary. I don't know how many times (even in infantry units) that the musician has saved my neck. Some people are in the school of thought that buying a musician or standard is in a way admitting defeat, but I look at it through the perspective of CR. If you are getting +1 CR after combat, or by winning the combat by 1 because of the musician you have earned the points back. Even if things go pear-shaped then the bonus to your Ld could make the difference between returning or not.

I think characters dramatically upgrade the strength of a 5 man unit regardless of the race played. Having a couple of extra attacks at a greater WS could swing the combat in your favor. It's common sense that cavalry are effective on the charge. By adding a character and paying for unit upgrades your are increasing the odds that your Cavalry are spending the game thundering across the field instead of hacking left to right while being overwhelmed by larger units. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/799566.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/799566.page GMT What is a good size for fantasy calvary units? 6 for killer cav
15 for tomb king heavy cav (they are treated as a ranked unit that moves 8, not a cav unit)

Musicians are always worth it. Champ/std in a cav unit are usually overpriced and if you need it your in trouble anyways and dont want to be giving it away.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/799636.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/799636.page GMT What is a good size for fantasy calvary units?
Usually, your opponent should bring some nice anti-armor of some sort (War-Machine, Magic, etc.) That can kill knights before they get into combat. This becomes a terrible waste of points, IMHO.

P.S. When did Cold One Knights get 2 Attacks? My Armybook says 1.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/799836.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/799836.page GMT What is a good size for fantasy calvary units? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/799863.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/799863.page GMT What is a good size for fantasy calvary units? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/799900.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/799900.page GMT What is a good size for fantasy calvary units? VPs are a liability, in my opinion.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/799936.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/799936.page GMT What is a good size for fantasy calvary units? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/800093.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/800093.page GMT What is a good size for fantasy calvary units?
And I'd always take 6 of that cav type, with the exception of chaos knights who would be 5 as they have so many attacks and are so expensive.

At 6 they can take a death and still hammer most opponents.

As for light cav... always 5 and only a muso as they will be used for march block and bait and flee.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/800181.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/800181.page GMT What is a good size for fantasy calvary units?
Cryonicleech wrote:Oh, the Cold One's Attacks.


I was thinking of LM's Cold One Cavalry. My bad.

If you're worried about losing VPs to a lost standard than make sure that you can realistically break on the charge. If you have 6 knights, Full Command, and no Characters in a unit and you are going in against a unit of infantry with a starting CR of 5 then you're probably in trouble. Also bring two units of Heavy Cav. If you don't go balls out on upgrades and banners then you should be able to afford two units. Even two units side by side supported by at least one character, charging a unit should be able to break anything outside of Stubborn, Unbreakable, Undead, or just plain lucky units.

What happens if you have a unit that loses by one and then breaks and is run down? I'm pretty sure that standard cost less than the whole unit. Same with musician. I think the most expensive Musician upgrade belongs to Dragon Princes (20pts?), maybe Blood Knights? I think spending 20pts on an upgrade is well worth it if it can save your butt during CR solutions and Rallying, but hey that's my opinion on the matter.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/800232.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/800232.page GMT What is a good size for fantasy calvary units? Thanks guys , 6 it is! Needed to know so i know how many command groups to convert.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/801059.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/801059.page GMT Re:What is a good size for fantasy calvary units? Unit of infantry 20 man strong. Knights charge lets say 6 but only 5 are in contact. Your opponent has 3 CR points already if he has a banner 4. If you dont kill 8 your opponent gets outnumber bonus so he is at 5 now. 10 attacks ws 5 str 5 normaly hits on 3 wounding on 2 to 3s. Lets say you roll average 7 hits. 2+ you get 5 to 6 wounds. at -2 to their save. Lets asume they have 5+ sv now. From 6 wounds they should save 2 leaving you causing 4 wounds. Guess what you just lost combat by 1. If you had taken a banner you would be at 5 with musician you would have won.

Ive seen this happen to many times so i started taking my knights with a musician and banner. Dont use a champion because just to expensive for the +1 attack.

Fast cav die extremly fast. Usually by the time i get them within warmachine crews i hacve 1 to 3 left. So i only take musicians for baiting and rally.

I like 5 wide ranks because at 6 you lose mobility. Wielding 6 knights compared to 5 knights is a big difference. Also the 6th knight usually doesnt make it into base contact.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/804009.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/804009.page GMT What is a good size for fantasy calvary units? Why aren't you getting your 6th knight in?

Vs 20mm base troops 5 wide (almost every infantry unit) they will be 100mm wide... 6 knights (25mm each) is 150mm wide and should allow the 4 middle knights in with the guys on the end touching corners.

Also why didn't the knights horses get to attack? That would be another wound there.
Knights without banner = lame.
Now you win, they need double 1's to stay in combat... JOY!

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What size do you field them in? Should i throw them a shield to get 4+ save in melee ? Is 10x2 deployed for shooting , then 5x4 when ranked up for melee a good idea?

How about corsairs and witch elves? They look similar to xbow but with more melee goodness?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/805525.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/805525.page GMT What is a good size for fantasy calvary units? ( xbow / corsair / witch elves) ? DE infantry should be in 2 Ranks of 7 each. This maximises combat potential and gets as many attacks as possible.

Some people don't like shields on Crossbowmen. I wouldn't put them on. A waste of points for a unit that won't see combat and if it does it will be screwed.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/805644.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/805644.page GMT What is a good size for fantasy calvary units? ( xbow / corsair / witch elves) ?
12 x-bowmen put out 24 shots, are still small enough to string out a couple of units on your base line in single ranks and fit well on most hills in 2 ranks with room for a RBT.

I'd avoid shields, buy mor x-bowmen and shoot your opponents.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/805752.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/805752.page GMT What is a good size for fantasy calvary units? ( xbow / corsair / witch elves) ?
RZ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/805793.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/805793.page GMT What is a good size for fantasy calvary units? ( xbow / corsair / witch elves) ? they were all either magic , or war machines :'p

What would the xbow people do when everything is locked in combat or if they are charged? Also they cant shoot thru other units making them even more limited :/
And whats a good effective amount to have before they turn into a burden?
And do they work best in sync with repeater bolt throwers?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/805836.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/805836.page GMT What is a good size for fantasy calvary units? ( xbow / corsair / witch elves) ?
As far as working with a bolt thrower... sure. They're going to be in roughly the same part of the field. The bolt thrower is better for armor and tough targets, and so on.

Crossbows will help nail things going for quarters or trying to swing for flanks. The high volume of low strength shots are ideally suited towards dropping fast cav and such. Get them to two cavalry models, and you've trimmed enough to retain ranks. No that you're too worried about ranks with all the super-killy stuff DE have.

RZ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/805874.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245712/805874.page GMT Re:What is a good size for fantasy calvary units? ( xbow / corsair / witch elves) ? LoS.

If they can't shoot because everthing is locked, they move to stay alive post combat, or to get good shots when the combat is over. They don't cost that much, but they still score for table quarters. Keep them alive. If they are assaulted flee. Only stand and shoot vs very small fast cav units, or if you would flee off the board.

Bolt throwers are meant to take out armor, and monsters. Xbows are meant to take out ranked infantry, and fast cav. Working together means your throwers are safer from flyers/fast cav going war machine hunting. Meaning that your bolt throwers will get to shoot at units with good armor or toughness.

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