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Zzap guns. Am I crazy?

Deffgob — GMT

I was leafing through the reference pages in the back of the BGB for something completely unrelated when I stumbled upon this little gem.

Zzap gun** 36" 2D6 2 Heavy 1

** See Codex: Orks for more details. Zzap guns do not roll to hit.

I looked through my codex and the only thing I could find was that the Zzap psychic power automatically hits. But aside from an overlap in names, the power and the gun have nothing to do with each other.

Is it in there somewhere that Zzap guns automatically hit, or did they just put that in the BGB to confuse us?

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usernamesareannoying — GMT

dex overrules book so it doesnt really matter.
there was a discussion a good while ago about this and it basically boils down to forget what the BGB says.

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dietrich — GMT

In the previous version of the Ork Codex, Zzzap guns didn't roll to it. It's probably a carry-over from that. Ignore it, it's wrong.

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Gwar! — GMT

dietrich wrote:In the previous version of the Ork Codex, Zzzap guns didn't roll to it. It's probably a carry-over from that. Ignore it, it's wrong.

^^ what he said.

Remember:
In the event of any contradiction between this section and any of the individual codexes, the codexes always take precedence (Page 98)

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Deffgob — GMT

Yeah. I know codex takes precedence in a situation like this, I just wasn't sure if it was in there somewhere and I just wasn't seeing it. Thanks guys.

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Razerous — GMT

A battery of three, so 1.5 hit (any orky/gretchin wargear that allows a re-roll?)

Out of the 1.5 hit, the avarge str is 7. What % is there out of two shots getting str 10? You need to roll a 5,5 5,6 or 6,6. Im sure its not amazing.

Sorry, just thinking out loud really.

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Gwar! — GMT

Yeah, you can buy up to 3 ammo runts, so three 1 time use rerolls

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dietrich — GMT

It's a 1/6 chance of getting a S10 hit. It's a 5/12 chance to get S8 (same as the krak round from the kannon) to S10 hit.

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s2ua7 — GMT

Dietrick wouldnt you have a 1/12 (3/36) chance to hit on a strength 10? You can roll a 4,6 a 5,5 and a 6,4 when rolling for a strength to, and yes, a 4,6 and a 6,4 are two seperate rolls when determining odds. in terms of a strength 8 to a strength 10, I guess you would determine each roll and then average them together so:

S8 would be 3/36 or 1/12 (8.3% rounded down)
S9 would be 4/36 or 1/9 (11.1% rounded down)
S10 would be 3/36 or 1/12 (8.3% rounded down)

So you would have a 7/36th of a chance rolling between a S8 and S10 EXACTLY... Your odds are actually higher if your also counting numbers above that.... But thats not assuming rerolls or anything like that which maybe Dietrich was counting....

Looking at hitting greater than a number you would have:
S8 or greater: 15/36 (41.67% rounded up)
S9 or greater: 10/36 or 5/18 (27.78% rounded up)
S10 or greater: 6/36 or 1/6 (16.67% rounded up)

Edit to add percentages and numbers greater than 8,9, and 10

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Orkeosaurus — GMT

Yep.

The Ork FAQ also mentions Zzap guns rolling to hit.

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s2ua7 — GMT

Yeah, Orkeosaurus is right, it (the FAQ) does mention the zzap guns rolling to hit... I would assume that the the Zzap psycic ability does not roll to hit (as per codex description on pg 37), but I would assume also that ballistic weapons still follow ballistic rules (7-BS) to hit as the FAQ clearly talks about Zzaps having to roll to hit (not sure if we can plagerize the FAQ or not so I'll just say it is the 2nd question discussing the Zzap guns)

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kaun666 — GMT

Basicly to answer ur question, Now the ZZZAP Gun has to roll to hit, making it far worse, yet cheaper, than it was in the old codex. The Weirdboy can do a ZZZAP power that is str 10 and auto hits

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Gwar! — GMT

kaun666 wrote:Basicly to answer ur question, Now the ZZZAP Gun has to roll to hit, making it far worse, yet cheaper, than it was in the old codex. The Weirdboy can do a ZZZAP power that is str 10 and auto hits

The ability to still shoot on a roll of 11 and 12 makes up for the need to roll to hit imo.

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blaktoof — GMT

there are 36 possible combinations when rolling 2 six sided dice.

You can roll (5,5) (6,5) (5,6) (4,6) (6,4)or (6,6) to get a str 10 hit. So you have a 6/36 or 1/6 or ~16% chance of rolling a str 10 hit with any given instance of rolling two dice.

The weird boy can do a zzap power, but chances are a battery of 3 zzap guns will do more str10 hits in a game if they survive the game than 1 ork weirdboy will.

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Gwar! — GMT

Huh? The BRB was printed well AFTER the ork codex came out. All they did was be idiots and print the wrong summery.

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blaktoof — GMT

bgb= 40k rulebook

brb=wfb

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dietrich — GMT

s2ua7 wrote:Dietrick wouldnt you have a 1/12 (3/36) chance to hit on a strength 10? You can roll a 4,6 a 5,5 and a 6,4 when rolling for a strength to, and yes, a 4,6 and a 6,4 are two seperate rolls when determining odds.

blaktoof wrote:there are 36 possible combinations when rolling 2 six sided dice.

You can roll (5,5) (6,5) (5,6) (4,6) (6,4)or (6,6) to get a str 10 hit. So you have a 6/36 or 1/6 or ~16% chance of rolling a str 10 hit with any given instance of rolling two dice.

It's a 3/36 chance of rolling a 10 on two dice, a 2/36 to roll an 11, and a 1/36 to roll a 12. Since, 11's and 12's are S10, you total them just like blaktoof showed. So, it's a 1/6 chance of being S10 (which is a roll of 10, 11, or 12). It's a 4/36 chance to roll a 9, a 5/36 to roll an 8. Total together, it's 15/36 or 5/12 or 42% chance to be S8 or better. I only threw that in there to compare it to the kannon, which is always S8. So, if you're looking for anti-tank, the zap gun has a 42% chance of being at least as good as the kannon.

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Gwar! — GMT

blaktoof wrote:bgb= 40k rulebook

brb=wfb

Nope, BBB was 3rd ed, BGB was 4th and 5th is BRB

Does that look Grey to you?

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s2ua7 — GMT

blaktoof wrote:there are 36 possible combinations when rolling 2 six sided dice.

You can roll (5,5) (6,5) (5,6) (4,6) (6,4)or (6,6) to get a str 10 hit. So you have a 6/36 or 1/6 or ~16% chance of rolling a str 10 hit with any given instance of rolling two dice.

The weird boy can do a zzap power, but chances are a battery of 3 zzap guns will do more str10 hits in a game if they survive the game than 1 ork weirdboy will.

Thats where I was wrong, I do have noted in my post that s10< is 1/6, but I did not realize that anything S11< is S10. Thanks for letting me know. I love doing chances and percentages based off those chances. I just misunderstood Dietrich's post.

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blaktoof — GMT

book looks grey, graphics look multi colored. Yep grey. hell even the DAKKA BGB abbreviation is 40k rulebook.

BRB= fb...which is a big red book...

but this isnt about that.

you're wrong on that, but anyways.

Yeah no idea what I was thinking when I said ork dex came out after BGB, I must need more sleep.

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Eternal Newb — GMT

blaktoof wrote:book looks grey, graphics look multi colored. Yep grey. hell even the DAKKA BGB abbreviation is 40k rulebook.

BRB= fb...which is a big red book...

but this isnt about that.

you're wrong on that, but anyways.

Yeah no idea what I was thinking when I said ork dex came out after BGB, I must need more sleep.

The book is big, it is red, and it is a book. Hence BRB. Yes the abbreviation might say fantasy, but it is easier just to call it BRB.

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Gwar! — GMT

I am actually gonna go and complain now and get it changed

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Lordhat — GMT

Gwar! wrote:
blaktoof wrote:bgb= 40k rulebook

brb=wfb
Nope, BBB was 3rd ed, BGB was 4th and 5th is BRB

Does that look Grey to you?

Yup. I clearly see a grey book with a red picture on it.

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Gwar! — GMT

I see a red book with a grey border.

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kaun666 — GMT

Well just to make the convorsation even more annoying, I got the special edition 5th edition book and it is BLACK! So my book is a BBB

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Deffgob — GMT

I've always referred to it as the BGB.

Wait. I've helped derail my own thread. Please stand by as I'm sucked into a forum wormhole.

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Nurglitch — GMT

Or, you know, you could just call it "the rulebook".

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s2ua7 — GMT

I never really thought about it and always called the BRB the Big Rule Book as opposed to the small ones you get when you buy the boxed sets (Battle for McCragge and Battle for Blackreach).... Oh well... Now I know...