http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Running towards the gun line, while the chaos are the screaming maniacs at the back shooting and covering my back:

My List:]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/827617.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/827617.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/827649.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/827649.page GMT PK's to really deal with them
Rokkits on deffkoptaz sounds like a solution but i think there fragile and will miss everytime you dont need them to
if your planning on being the assualting force than be the assualting force, i say lose the big shoota's, if you plan on assualting they should have sluggas and choppaz and maybe a rokkit or 2 if you have leftover points (they wont hit often but when it does hit it hurts)
At 500 points i break my boyz up so they all fit in trukks and have a KFF covering them all, your boyz will get to the line fast although i have no idea what your chaos friend is bringing i do know that when you have orks in your frontyard your distracted from the enemy far away for the time being.
From what i learned, pick something you want your Orks to do and stick with it, if you want to Assault then you dont need lootaz and if your shooty you can swap all your Boyz sluggas for shootas and so on and so forth

OH and i thought you had to be 500 points or below? some people would let you get away with 502 but some people are pretty 'ard core so beware of that ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/827653.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/827653.page GMT PKs are a good redundant tank killer though, and it will be hard to get the PK nob off the table if it's burried under a ton of boyz. It's probably worth spending the points to get those.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/827711.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/827711.page GMT
Warboss (60)
Power Klaw (25), Shoota/Rokkit Kombi Weapon (5), Ammo Runt (3), ‘Eavy Armour (5),
= 98

17 Ork boyz (102)
Ork Nob (16)
Big Choppa (5) (Nob)
=133

17 Ork boyz (102)
Ork Nob (16)
Big Choppa (5) (Nob)
=133

3 Deffkoptas (105)
Twin Linked Rokkit Launchas (10 per Deffkopta)
=135

Total = 499


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/829251.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/829251.page GMT PK you just cant rely on rokkits hitting the broad side of a barn.
That being said if you really want a kombi weapon on your warboss i would advise a shoota/scorcha, you only have ONE shot with that 2nd weapon, at least the skorcha lets you drop a template so you KNOW you hit something (even more than 1 model with a flame template)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/829580.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/829580.page GMT BS it's your best hope of hitting with rokkits, and they are well suited to the foot infantry army you are posting. I'm with NeedsMoreDakka. I've never placed a nob with the boyz unless he had a PK, but I'm not gonna pretend that my way is the best way. I just like that Anti-tank/anti-MEQ option better than ork launched rokkit, who never seem to hit when you want em to with their BS of 2.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/830078.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/830078.page GMT
PK - No range, but on a Nob who has 3 Attacks swinging a Str10 power weapon with 4 WS...something is going to die (4 attacks on the charge )

Rokkit boy - 18" of range to shoot once (poorly) with a Str 8 weapon that when you DO shoot it prevents the rest of your unit from running up to an extra 6" so they can clobber them with the PK you wish you had ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/830660.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/830660.page GMT
List Edited]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/830735.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/830735.page GMT However I guess you could leave it this way although the rokkits will have a hard time hitting (luckily they are twin linked but still they're not going to pwn). I would advise you to split them into 3 squads. Better target selection, more manueverability, they are harder to be shot down.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/830805.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/830805.page GMT TL shoota]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/831052.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/831052.page GMT
Deffkoptas. If you insist on running 3 Deffkoptas in your 500 pt list (A folly IMHO, I would reduce it to 1 or at least 2) Then at least break up the unit into 3 different mobs of 1 Kopta. There are a number of reasons for this as I'll explain (Or I should say repeat, I really need to macro this following tutorial. [ okay, i did cut and paste my advice from another thread ] )

Deffkoptas are decent one-trick ponies but split them up. Fielding them as one unit begs for death. If one dies you're also making morale saves on Ld. 7. There are a number of advantages to breaking them up:

1. As 3 different units they can acquire 3 different targets (great for mech vet to crack open chimeras before they move).

2. As 3 different units if you try to outflank you tripple your chances of a kopta coming on the board earlier.

3. The morale issue stated above. As a unit of 1 if 1 dies you don;t have to worry about morale.

4. more for the enemy to shoot (split fire). one squad of marines can take out one unit of 3 deffkoptas. However, one squad of marines can't take out 3 units of one deffkoptas (it would be splitting their fire). This makes it more of a challange for the enemy in target aquisition - do they take out hte piddly little kopta threatening side armor of the pred or shoot at the boys to whittle them down a little before they charge.

That's my food for thought.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/831150.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/831150.page GMT
also the list is modifyed so it is 499 points instead]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/831219.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/831219.page GMT PK and bosspole. Spend the extra points to tool up the trucks (boarding plank, reinforced ram, wrecking ball). This build would probably benefit from a KFF more than a PK warboss though.

Another idea is to replace two deffkoptas with a Kannon team or Zapp gun team as a heavy choice. I think you'll find they will be more effective against armor than the deffkoptas. Though this idea is weak against outflanking/deep striking.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/831265.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247502/831265.page GMT
3 Koptas are going to cost you a LOT of points when they die and are almost certain not to make up their points at 500 pts. At best the three can kill 3 marines which will take out the entire squad in one round of shooting. The three Koptas are really a bad idea any way you look at it.

With those restrictions I strongly advise getting rid of 2 and bolstering your boy mobs. Use the 1 kopter to try and outflank and vehicle hunt, especially since at 500 pts. and those tourney restrictions the enemy will only have 1 vehicle, unless they are transports.
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Orks:
36 Ork Boyz
4 Ork Boyz W/ Big Shooter

10 Ork Nobs:
3 W/ Power Klaw
2 W/ Big Choppa
1 W/ Waaagh! Banner
1 W/ S/R Kombi Weapon
1 Ammo Runt
All W/ ‘Eavy Armour
3 W/ Nothing but the basics and ‘Eavy Armour

2 War bosses:
1 Black Reach (Power Klaw, TL Shoota, Eavy Armour, Boss pole)
1 Black Reach W/ S/R Kombi Weapon and Attack Squig

3 Deffkoptas W/ TL Rokkit Launchas

5 Meganobz


So Nothing will be added until after the 17th!!! to anyone who says: "oh you gotta buy this model because blahblahblah", not trying to insult but im tired of people who tell me to use a model i don't own.
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