<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Curious about Chaos Space Marines"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Curious about Chaos Space Marines CSM Codex soon but in the mean time ive been trying to decide on which of the...do i call them factions? *doesnt want to get nerd raged on *
Ive been leaning a lot towards Nurgle and plague marines becuase i think they would be a lot of fun to paint and i also think Typhus is one of the coolest looking HQ units out there
HOWEVER
Im not sure how these guys actually do on the battle feild! So i'll leave it to you experts to decide.

What (faction?) of the CSM do you like and why? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831278.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831278.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines
However, I prefer Noise Marines, their fluff and their look; and it gives me a plausable reason to take one or two winged Daemon Princes with the lash. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831297.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831297.page GMT Re:Curious about Chaos Space Marines

"i always feeeel like somebody's watchin meeeee"
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Xav wrote:With plague marines, watch out for AP 2 weapons, and str 8+ weapons...


To be fair i think EVERYONE should worry about those

I dont think ive seen a unit that can take that shot in the chest and walk through the smoke ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831501.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831501.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines TEQ objective holders that are T5. Without a doubt the best objective holders in the game. The only problem is that you then have to draw all your offensive power from your other slots. This really hurts in smaller points games, but higher up you get to stretch your legs and that solid troop base really helps.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831559.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831559.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831589.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831589.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines
DarkHound wrote:Without a doubt the best objective holders in the game.


I dunno that it's without doubt. There are a lot of situations in which the Grey Knights and Thousand Sons are better, but the Smellies are definitely up there.

Either way Death Guard are a fantastic army to play, just because they're so gratifying. You know that feeling you get when you fail at moving, get hit with 80 FRFSRF lasgun shots and take stupid wounds from them? That's the same feeling Guard players get when your Smellies make their 2-dice saving throws against every wound he scores. Typhus isn't fantastic, but the DPs are pretty cool and the basic Troops are sweet as a nut. Sure they're expensive, and more than slightly gross, but they're still wicked-awesome.

Noise Marines are slightly more... meh. They're not bad (the Assault 2 weapons and I5 can come in handy), but they're just not as tough or fun to play as the Smellies.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831596.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831596.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines
Frank Fugger wrote:
DarkHound wrote:Without a doubt the best objective holders in the game.


I dunno that it's without doubt. There are a lot of situations in which the Grey Knights and Thousand Sons are better, but the Smellies are definitely up there.


Situational modifiers are just those, situational. But for a "take all comers and situations" plan you really can´t go wrong with Plague Marines. Yes, they are expensive and you WILL be outnumbered but wisely played you can prevail. T 4(5),FNP and 3+ armour allow you take some tactical risks, you would never take with normal MEQs. They are also superb psychological warfare. When your opponent has to pour the fire of 2 or 3 units against one squad of Plague Marines to kill 1 or 2 members, he gets frustrated. Frustration will steadily grow until he starts making little mistakes. Ultimately those mistakes will cost him the battle. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831633.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831633.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831641.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831641.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines
A-P wrote:But for a "take all comers and situations" plan you really can´t go wrong with Plague Marines. Yes, they are expensive and you WILL be outnumbered but wisely played you can prevail. T 4(5),FNP and 3+ armour allow you take some tactical risks, you would never take with normal MEQs.


Agreed, although if the only threat you're going to be facing is long-range weapons you'd probably be better with the GK's Shrouding. S10 AP1 is worth nothing if it can't hit you, and every Shrouding roll that your oppo fails costs him a unit's-worth of shooting. They're also fearsome Troop killers from cover; unless it's got Frags there ain't much that will do for a PAGK squad in cover.

That said, in general gaming, I agree that the Smellies hold up better point-for-point. FnP is under-rated.

Nurglitch wrote:Or they just get wiped out by Disintegrators, Plasma Cannons, Demolisher Cannons, or whatever else.


The exact same thing could be said of CSM squads, though; except you can also add any and all AP3 weapons to that list too, and indeed any weapon which relies on massing shots to make stuff die, which will chew down a 3+ armour save but fails it against 2-dice saving throws. I don't find giving CSM squads heavy weapons to be the best use of points either; if you want Heavy Weapons take Obliterators. Sure CSM squads allow you to reach out and touch people with your Troops choices, but how much damage is that single Lascannon shot going to do? How many times are you going to fire it per game?

I'll give you that CSMs are cheaper... but there's a valid reason for that. The reason being they're about half as good.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831650.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831650.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines
Nurglitch wrote:Or they just get wiped out by Disintegrators, Plasma Cannons, Demolisher Cannons, or whatever else. At least with Chaos Space Marines you can bring some spare Lascannons to kill these threats earlier in the game and to give the unit some reach. Also you can take three units of Chaos Space Marines for two units of Plague Marines.


That is why you make use of cover saves, smart tactical movement and rhinos. And besides, S8+ AP1-2 will kill anything so that is not really a valid point. Like I said: if you employ Papa Nurgles chosen you WILL be outnumbered. Plan accordingly. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831653.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831653.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines
If I wanted Heavy Weapons I would not take Obliterators, because then all my opponent would need to do to shorten my range and deprive me of my heavy weapons would be to interdict my Obliteraors, either by murdering them with anti-tank fire, or mobbing them in close combat. At least Havocs have the Wounds, Attacks, and Initiate to defend themselves in close combat and weather enemy fire.

How much damage is a single Lascannon shot going to do? A single Lascannon shot can kill a Land Raider, a Monolith, a Battlewagon, a Daemon Prince, an Obliterator, crack a bunker, or cause a unit to Fall Back. Having it only cost twenty points means that you have more points to go elsewhere in the army, while giving the squad the ability to address enemy 48" away, rather than just 24".

When you have three squads of Chaos Space Marines, for three Lascannons that can engage up to three separate targets, then you have something that can engage those Devil Dogs, Valkyries, Ordnance batteries, Chimeras full of Veterans, Land Raiders, and whatnot that your Plague Marines would have to trust to luck to come within their own 12" threat radius. Anything requiring massed shots to take them out will bounce off of their Rhino better than it will bounce off Plague Marines.


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A-P:

Of course you use cover saves, transports, and line of sight to preserve your Marines. It's just that you get longer range, more Marines, and hence more firepower to act proactively if they're Chaos Space Marines and not Plague Marines.

S8 AP1/2 will kill anything, but that's not the point. The point is that S8 AP1/2 will kill Plague Marines as easily as Chaos Space Marines, and will kill a greater proportion of your army in doing so.

Take my point with having three units instead of two. If you have three units, and your opponent has two units, disregarding stuff like Target Locks, your extra unit will be better protected than if you relied on saving throws, Feel No Pain rolls, and a Toughness bonus. More to the point, if they have three units and you have two, one of those units is going to have a free turn of hurting your units. More units, all else being equal, is better, and when it comes to firepower Plague Marines are certainly less efficient at bolters and special weapons, and have no reach to speak of.

That's not to say that you shouldn't take a couple of units of Plague Marines to hold objectives, but using them to engage the enemy is inefficient compared to all the other options that Chaos Space Marines have available. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831663.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831663.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines
Nurglitch wrote:Actually, no, the exact same thing could not be said of Chaos Space Marine squads for the reason of cost. As I have mentioned you can get three squads of Chaos Space Marines for the cost of two squads of Plague Marines. Killing ten Plague Marines is then equivalent to killing fifteen Chaos Space Marines, and when they are equivalent for the purposes of hitting, wounding, and saves, you will be less likely to kill fifteen Chaos Space Marines than you will ten Plague Marines.


Problems arise when considering that PMs are also Fearless whereas CSMs are not. Inflict four wounds on a squad of CSMs and they have to take an Ld test; inflict four wounds on a unit of PMs and nobody cares.

If I wanted Heavy Weapons I would not take Obliterators, because then all my opponent would need to do to shorten my range and deprive me of my heavy weapons would be to interdict my Obliteraors, either by murdering them with anti-tank fire, or mobbing them in close combat. At least Havocs have the Wounds, Attacks, and Initiate to defend themselves in close combat and weather enemy fire.


All of that is easier said than done when you've got Plague Marines. If you're running Oblits alongside CSMs I can quite happily shower your Troops with chewy stuff like Multilasers or Autocannons, things that rely on weight of fire and failed armour saves to inflict losses, and save my big guns and power weapons for your Oblits.

Autocannons and their ilk have far less impact on Plague Marines with their T5 and 2-dice saves, and so I can either throw the Battlecannon templates at your PMs or your Oblits. Obviously throwing them at the Oblits is the better choice is the PMs don't have reach, but it still requires me to tie up my heavy weapons dealing with one thing or the other for a turn. Supposing there are Land Raiders, DPs and/ or Defilers on the table too?

How much damage is a single Lascannon shot going to do? A single Lascannon shot can kill a Land Raider, a Monolith, a Battlewagon, a Daemon Prince, an Obliterator, crack a bunker, or cause a unit to Fall Back. Having it only cost twenty points means that you have more points to go elsewhere in the army, while giving the squad the ability to address enemy 48" away, rather than just 24".


In the right circumstances all of those things are possible. All of them are also statistically improbable. I know I'm a big fan of "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it", but sometimes you can take it too far.

Also, considering that your Lascannon is mounted on one of your scoring units, how many times will it get fired per game?

When you have three squads of Chaos Space Marines, for three Lascannons that can engage up to three separate targets,


Assuming none of the squads move. Unless you can be 90% sure that those shots will count then having three stationary Troops squads in any MEQ army is not a good thing. You simply don't get that kind of assurance with Lascannons.

then you have something that can engage those Devil Dogs, Valkyries, Ordnance batteries, Chimeras full of Veterans, Land Raiders, and whatnot that your Plague Marines would have to trust to luck to come within their own 12" threat radius. Anything requiring massed shots to take them out will bounce off of their Rhino better than it will bounce off Plague Marines.


But PMs can take Rhinos too, so the argument that meching up makes CSMs better doesn't really hold. Sure they have lascannon-reach and whatnot whereas PMs don't, but once that Rhino goes bye-bye there's no contest as to which you'd rather have in the army.

One thing I will say about PMs over CSMs is that you need to build your army around them, whereas regular CSMs can slot quite happily into whatever army you have lying around because they cost less. I suppose, as with so much else, it all depends on how you want to run things; and considering this is a thread about Death Guard I reckon it's a safe bet the OP has already made that decision.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831702.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831702.page GMT Re:Curious about Chaos Space Marines

I agree that having expensive MEQs sitting back with lascannons is probably a mistake when they could be upfront ya know...doing something lol

I am starting an Ork Speed Freaks army already, so as far as tactics go its Go fast, go faster, hope you make it, assualt.

So if i do start another army i would like the opposite spectrum of having to be very tacticle with my decisions, PMs may be expensive and they may not have much reach
But i figure if you put them in a Rhino and rush them up your pressing the enemy with FnP and Fearless units range isnt much of an issue when shots are bouncing off them.

I like PMs are they any specific rules as to what i can feild them with? I havnt had a chance to grab the codex yet but i probably will tomorrow ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831749.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831749.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831768.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831768.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines PMs and Berzerkers; I'm not sure why because Berzerkers are fail, but that's what they do.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831769.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831769.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines 10 Reasons Chaos Space Marines are good.
1. They can mechanize like nobodies business; Have fun facing a 10 man Chosen Squad w/ Mark of Tzeetch and 5 meltaguns w/ Rhino 305 points.

2. They have Battlecannons in the form of Defilers probably one of the best vehicles in the game.
Fleet, Daemonic Possession; possibility to have 6 STR10 attacks on the charge. Yes, Please

3. Their base Squad of Chaos Space Marines are actually cheaper than marines; 15 points for a model that has additional close combat attack. Hurray.

4. They can have cheap 20 man squads of CC troops that are Fearless have statlines of a marine can assault the turn they deep strike. Hrmmm yes.

5. Their Terminators are incredible for the point cost. 30 points base come with a powerweapon have the option of upgrading to champions for 10 points. Give them a Mark of Tzeetch and they can have a 4+ invulnerable still have twin lighting claws.

6. The only section of the codex that is weak to a degree and that is a slight degree is the Fast Attack options, with a semi high cost on Bikers at 33 points a model but they do like all others get a close combat weapon.

7. One of the best heavy support in the games.

8. Daemon Princes w/ Lash one of the most powerful abilities in the entire GAME.

9. A troop that has feel no pain, t5 for 23 points

10. Did I mention the ability to mechanize.


The problem with Chaos Space Marines is that the previous codexes were too good. Seriously, broken good. Now people are complaining that they do not have a broken army. Yeah, that makes alot of sense. Wait no it doesnt.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831819.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831819.page GMT Re:Curious about Chaos Space Marines
The poor fast attack doesnt bother me, im not a huge fan of fast attack units marines and the like have

Its good to hear i can feild anything with anything, sounds like a very diverse and flexible army, i like that.

I might just go and get the codex todayto read through and such until i have more money

Not that it makes a huge difference to me but how is the fluff that goes with chaos? any good?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831840.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831840.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831873.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831873.page GMT Re:Curious about Chaos Space Marines I dont know what Lash does because im an unworthy n00b
But im worried about feilding such a giant unit..wont he get picked off easy because hes to tall to hide behind a building? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831953.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/831953.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines
They are no viable because they are the same as space marine assault troops. This is a falsehood.

Raptors have the one ability Space Marine Assault Troops do not have The ability to destroy Transports and Assault the units within because they have Meltaguns. Something Space Marine Assault Squads DO NOT get.Now you also have to consider and this is a big noticable difference. Space Marine Squads of Assault Troops do not come in max squad sizes of 20. This is important due to PPM or Points per model.


A 10 man Space Marine Squad w/ 2 Flamers w/ Powerfist and lets say melta bombs. 240 points.
or 24 points per model. They Get ATSKNF fine.

A ten man raptor squad w/ that same load out
is 265 points. Wiat that is incorrect; Raptors get something Assault squads do not get Combiweapons.
Or 26 points per model. For a squad w/o ATSKNF but with 3 template weapons.

This is where the advantage of Squad size and marks becomes advantageous to Raptors over marines.While marines can have a MAX of 30 Jump pack marines; Chaos Can have a Max of 60.

Now lets look at that squad size and why it is important.

At 15 models it brings the Chaos Squad to 365 but Drops the PPM to 24.33.

Now max out that squad. 20 models for 465 points which comes to 23.25 per model.


Wait it gets a little funky we left out Marks; Lets just give them a Mark Of Slaanesh +1 ini for 1 point per model.

So for 485 points you have a

20 man Squad w/ 3 Flamers, Meltabombs, Powerfist, INI 5.

Now lets give them Melta guns for 5 points more ( remember they pay 10 points and 5 points for Flamers)

So 495 Lets go ahead and drop that and make the army Tzeetch for 40 points.

So 515 per Squad of 20 that has powerfist, 2 meltas, Combimelta, 5+ invulnerable.

1030 total for 25.75 points per model.

Point to another ARmy that can have an assault troop for 25.75 points per model w/ 3 attacks, ST4, 5+ invulnerable; Move 12, Deep Strike. Hrmmm.


Thats why Chaos Raptors are good. In Large Numbers you drop the buy in cost of Marks making it incredibly cost efficient for the unit.

There ae I think currently 3 units or models that can kill that Icon Bearer; Mind War, Telion, Vindicare. I believe that is all.

So lets do a comparison
3 squads of 30 marines with that load out being exactly the same for Space Marines you get a cost of 24 points per model.
Now the advantage is it gets 2 more powerfist attacks
Now 2 Squads of raptors at 15 Man each w/ 2 meltas, Aspiring, Powerfist, Combimelta , we will give them Mark of Slaanesh 720 points total or a 360 point cost per squad or 24 points per model.

Advantages:
6 Meltagun shots ; 4 Powerfist Attacks. INITIATIVE 5, abiltiy to shoot and destroy a transport and assault the unit inside.


Thats why they are better than normal assault marines.





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Khorne kicks ass, and I like the whole prophet/holy book thing that the Word Bearers have going.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/832218.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/832218.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/832234.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/832234.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/832245.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/832245.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/832255.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/832255.page GMT Re:Curious about Chaos Space Marines

I have to admit that of the chaos gods i like Nurgle the best

which works out great because i wanted to do PM to begin with ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/832316.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/832316.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/832408.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/832408.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/832450.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/832450.page GMT Re:Curious about Chaos Space Marines

Of the chaos gods i have to say i like Nurgle the most

Which works out because i wanted to do mostly plauge marines anyway

What about Typhus though? is he any good? Auto passing psychic tests seems like a big win in my book though

Not to mention hes the coolest looking HQ around (in my book anyway )]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/832454.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/832454.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines
Anyway, I've not used Typhus, but everything I've heard or seen about him points to him being a god-like killer. You really need an army built around him though. He just costs so much, and costs even more since you need a Landraider and Terminators to go with him.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/832478.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/832478.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines ID models there are.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/832514.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/832514.page GMT Re:Curious about Chaos Space Marines

Typhus seems like a bamf though i would get his model just to paint it, i definatly want to take terminators and a landraider i was considering anyway so that doesnt bother me so much

Typhus, DP, Terminators, LR, and PM's in Rhino's sounds like a good start of an army to me

OH! i was looking on the GW site, is there a difference between the regular DP and the DP of nurgle? i was thinking it was just for looks ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833041.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833041.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833051.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833051.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines
No, don't take Typhus with Terminators. Put him in a regular squad of Plague Marines. That way he retains his Fearless-ness, and adds some serious punch with his Daemon Weapon, and Nurgle's Rot.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833091.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833091.page GMT Re:Curious about Chaos Space Marines CC...right?

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Remember that Typhus gets 3+D6 attacks with 4+ Poison, +1 on the charge, and he can cast his Force Weapon Instant Kill in addition to either Nurgle's Rot or Wind of Chaos, so it's good for him to get really close prior to charging so that one of his psychic powers can thin the unit he'll assault, forcing the opposing player to distribute 4+ wounding (re-rolled on T4- units) Power Weapon attacks on the Power Fist specialists in combat, or at least open those models to taking saves against his Plague Marine escort. Also remember he's I5, so if he's in range of a Librarian or Primaris Psycker, he'll go before them and can kill them before they kill him.

If you want someone less expensive, but with a similar effect, go for a Chaos Terminator Lord of Nurgle with a Daemon Weapon and a Combi-Weapon. Not quite as tough, and without the psychic nastiness that makes Typhus a weapon of mass destruction, but much less expensive.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833257.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833257.page GMT Re:Curious about Chaos Space Marines Str 3 hit even have a chance of killing things bigger than a hampster?

Wind of chaos seems like a pretty nasty move though ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833273.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833273.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines
The 40k template is about 8" long, and the range of Nurgle's Rot is 6", so plan accordingly. Also, while Nurgle's Rot does not ignore cover, like the Wind of Chaos does, it can be used while Typhus and any erstwhile targets are in close combat unlike the Wind of Chaos. Finally, remember also that Typhus doesn't have to take a psychic test to use these powers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833283.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833283.page GMT Re:Curious about Chaos Space Marines
NeedsMoreDakka wrote:Is nurgle's rot effective? its great it hits every enemy within 6" but does a Str 3 hit even have a chance of killing things bigger than a hampster?

Wind of chaos seems like a pretty nasty move though


S3 hits, in quantity have an effect. Think of it in these terms:

If there are 20 guardsmen within 6", half of them should take a wound. Of the 10 wonded-figure 6 or 7 will die. 30-35 pts of dead guys.

20 Orks- 6 or 7 wounds, 5 or 6 dead. 30-36 pts of dead ork.

10 MEQ, 3 or 4 wounds, 1 or 2 dead, 16-32 pts.

Thats basic math-hammer, and is a pretty conservative estimate of how many you could get in a 6" radius. Aim for the biggest clusters of enemy troops- as more victms in the radius will yield better results.

As you can see, not even counting assault or shooting from any squad hes attached to, Nurgles Rot can cause enough casualties to cause morale checks. VS MEQ/MC's he can use Wind of Chaos instead, as its clearly a better choice vs higher T and Armor (think of it as a power flamer).

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833302.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833302.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833425.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833425.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines Nuclear Blast Markers ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833448.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833448.page GMT Re:Curious about Chaos Space Marines

The ability to cast it even while tangled up in CC and STILL be able to use my force weapon that turn is a really huge advantage in my eyes, i think hes totally worth the points.

Is his FNP +4? i forget the specifics but FNP lets me re roll to not take a wound as long as it doesnt ignore armor or is an instant kill, putting that with a squad of PM's that have the same thing would make that unit pretty friggen tough ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833592.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833592.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines
Note well that failing an armour save and having that armour save ignored are two very different things where Feel No Pain is concerned.

A weapon that ignores armour saves will ignore Feel No Pain*. So if you roll a 1 for his Daemon Weapon attacks, he'll have to survive it using his Invulnerable save of 5+.

Similarly, Feel No Pain won't work to save any Instant Death wounds that are inflicted on Typhus or his Plague Marines.

But yes, the combination of the best of both a Chaos Lord of Nurgle and a Chaos Sorcerer of Nurgle is pretty potent. The A3+1D6 Poisoned Force Weapon attacks combined with Nurgle's Rot can kill large volumes of the enemy. For extra dickery, cast Nurgle's Rot while he's in a Land Raider...

*The conditions for disregarding a Feel No Pain roll (it's a roll, not a save: wouldn't want to break the design rule of no multiple saves!)
- Wound caused by something that ignores armour (Power Weapons, Monstrous Creatures, Wind of Chaos, Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon, Daemon Weapon glitch, etc)
- Wound caused by weapon with AP 1 or AP2
- Wound caused by something that causes Instant Death]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833601.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833601.page GMT Re:Curious about Chaos Space Marines
If you like Typhus I personally like the BoLS plaugespear army. http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2008/08/armylist-5th-ed-plaguespear-2000-pts.html]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833629.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/833629.page GMT Re:Curious about Chaos Space Marines
I wasnt sure if i was going to get the summoned demons...i hate the way most of them look

Having an army with units that pricey kind of worries me having it needing to assualt to do much...i wanted Typhus, PMs, Deep Strike Terminators as the core and build around that, i'll have to get through the codex to decide though ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/834203.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/834203.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines DS Termies; having stuff sitting around on the board useless and un-locked for a full turn is asking for it to get hammered, especially something as pricey as Nurgle Termies.

As previously mentioned, if your heart is set on Typhus then putting him in a unit of Smellies is the way to bring him; otherwise he's likely to run off. Again, though, throwing FnP units into CC is hardly the most efficient use of their special rule; power weapons negate FnP, and they tend to be more common in most lists than S8+ and/ or AP1-2 shooting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/835645.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/835645.page GMT Re:Curious about Chaos Space Marines DS Termies...

Im probably just going to stick Typhus and PM squad in a Land Raider and hike them down field i will probably do the same with the Termies so they arent locked up for a round, I'll give my Termies Anti Tank and Power weapons so they can be on the move and still pop a tank with that Las Cannon

How do Land Radier Crusaders do in battle? AV 14 all the way around makes it pretty tough for units without very above average power to even glance.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/835752.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/835752.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines LRCs are Loyalist Marine toys; Naughty Marines don't get to play with them, because they were bad boys.

They rawk, though ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/835761.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/835761.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/835767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/835767.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines WTF is there not to like???]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/836112.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/836112.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/836199.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/836199.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/836337.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/836337.page GMT Curious about Chaos Space Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/836413.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/836413.page GMT Re:Curious about Chaos Space Marines ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/836633.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/247741/836633.page GMT