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				<description><![CDATA[ Right now iv just started collecting daemons...yea yea theyre broken blah blah  <img src="/s/i/a/c1f54002789bba812b7255ca0516c659.gif" border="0"> i dont want all the hate to start in this thread about how much people hate them i want help on fighting fire with fire  <img src="/s/i/a/a634d4056bc15b21ef25d1960801aa76.gif" border="0"> so to say <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span><br /> <br /> theres a guy at my local store who has a 2000pt pure khorne list of death<br /> im not totally sure on what he had but it was roughly<br /> bloodthirster<br /> skultaker<br /> herald on juggernaut <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(174);'>bsb</span> sundering<br /> 15 bloodletters<br /> 15 bloodletters<br /> 15 bloodletters<br /> 5 flesh hounds<br /> 3 juggernauts<br /> <br /> now i hav no idea what to do against this much magic resistance and hardcore <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>cc</span> capability  <br /> im just about to start building my tzeentch/slaanesh army<br /> now i was wondering if using the mind rape army or the flying circus build would work better<br /> anyone who has experience playing either of these builds, if you cud let me know how they would probably work out<br /> <br /> i was gona build my army to something like <br /> kairos<br /> herald tzeentch disc <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(101);'>mos</span>(death) flames of tzeentch <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(174);'>bsb</span> icon of despair<br /> herald tzeentch fly pv<br /> masque of slaanesh<br /> 10 horrors<br /> 10 horrors<br /> 10 horrors<br /> 4 screamers<br /> 4 screamers<br /> 6 flamers<br /> = 1975<br /> mayb havin seekers/more flamers/less screamers/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(234);'>KOS</span> instead<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(234);'>KOS</span> lvl4, temptator, allure of slaanesh, torment blade, close by we have baner of great despair and the masque, this was a possibility instead of kairos. so basically if i inflict one wound its gona be 3!!<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(82);'>ld</span> tests to attack me back at roughly <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(82);'>ld</span> 4-6  <br /> <br /> yea i know totally broken list but i want to beat him and were very competative we dont really care how hard we make our armies or what we 'shouldnt' include like flamers etc etc<br /> <br /> so any help on mayb changing bits of my list and tactics i cud mayb use would be great<br /> <br /> regards<br /> Gorrfang]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Gorrfang Skullmuncha]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Daemon vs Daemon help PLEASE NO HATE SPAM!!!!!</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ If you are going for a more magic list without a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(234);'>KoS</span>, you might want to change the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(174);'>BSB</span> to hellfire standard since their magic resistance won't help against that.  The standard of sundering he uses also hurts your magic really good (horror need 6's to get flickering fire off, assumeing he pichs tzeentch magic).  <br /> <br /> So, maybe taking out the masque and putting in a regular <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(577);'>HoS</span> with a decent number of daemonettes.  By the time the bloodletters get into charge range, the flamers/screamers will have probly taken out enough guys to have the daemonettes wipe them out.  The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(474);'>ASF</span> and the number of attacks they will dish out would most likely be enough to kill the front rank and win combat (one trick I use is a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(576);'>HoT</span> and give him lore of heavens, use portent of phar on the netts and you have a really good chance at taking out low toughness troops).  <br /> <br /> Karios should have the firepower to put down a bloodthirster and juggernauts.  <br /> <br /> Hope this helps.  Let us know how the battle goes too!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:35:36]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ WarMonger33]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Daemon vs Daemon help PLEASE NO HATE SPAM!!!!!</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>WarMonger33 wrote:</cite>If you are going for a more magic list without a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(234);'>KoS</span>, you might want to change the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(174);'>BSB</span> to hellfire standard since their magic resistance won't help against that.  The standard of sundering he uses also hurts your magic really good (horror need 6's to get flickering fire off, assumeing he pichs tzeentch magic).  <br /> <br /> So, maybe taking out the masque and putting in a regular <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(577);'>HoS</span> with a decent number of daemonettes.  By the time the bloodletters get into charge range, the flamers/screamers will have probly taken out enough guys to have the daemonettes wipe them out.  The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(474);'>ASF</span> and the number of attacks they will dish out would most likely be enough to kill the front rank and win combat (one trick I use is a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(576);'>HoT</span> and give him lore of heavens, use portent of phar on the netts and you have a really good chance at taking out low toughness troops).  <br /> <br /> Karios should have the firepower to put down a bloodthirster and juggernauts.  <br /> <br /> Hope this helps.  Let us know how the battle goes too!</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> thanks for the good input there mate, that banner of sundering really puts a spanner in the works but by taking mayb death with my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(576);'>HoT</span> i can soul steal him in 2 turns hopefully but also thats where the thought of having the Kipper instead of kairos so i have lore of slaanesh, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(576);'>HoT</span> with tzeentch, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(576);'>HoT</span> with 1 rulebook lore, and horrors with tzeentch so he has to pick which hes gona deny casting to cos thats 3 different lores, <br /> i was aslo thinking mayb seekers to take out bloodletters too because 5 wide im getting 15 attacks off, obviously after whittling them with magic first and probably just mopping up<br /> and i wont be playing him again for a while with this army im still buying and painting up my models but iv been racking my brain trying to decide what to buy cos hes gona be the one this army is built for really <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span><br /> <br /> keep the input coming guys]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:57:31]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Gorrfang Skullmuncha]]></author>
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