http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net CSM codex anymore cos he had a really nice background story and in the DA codex it says that his path of worlds where he is sighted is leading to Terra and the emporer himself!! This guy is the most awesome renegade EVA

WHERE HAS HE GONE GW?? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/921926.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/921926.page GMT
Because no-one has a clue and they don't want you to either. it's one of those things they want people to speculate and wonder about.

The same with the Dark Angels and Lion El'Jonson (sp?). They want lots of controversy around the Chapter and that whole story.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/921934.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/921934.page GMT http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300042&prodId=prod1130401&rootCatGameStyle=
This is a link to a pic of him. He deserves a place in the codex.


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The model is also quite nice for an old one]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/921936.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/921936.page GMT
Each addition has re-added and lost certain special characters, and I'm sure GW had its reasons, but the problem is they don't really share those with us so we speculate. I personally could have done without Lucius. He just seemed uninteresting and prettyboyish. I would rather have some incredible iron warriors special character that can morph his hands into weapons or a noise marine special character if we want to stick with Slaanesh. There is also a distinct lack of psyker characters in csm's which I would like to see changed. I don't mean like Typhus that can use his nurgle power, but an Ahriman-style full on dedicated psyker(probably the best bet being a nurgle-worshipper).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922023.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922023.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922075.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922075.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922512.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922512.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922583.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922583.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922611.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922611.page GMT
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@vindicator#9- I am planning to make a Dark Angels army of fallen, with renegade deathwing, that would be cool! though not probable because the deathwing are there to redeem the dark angels. Anyway I do plan to make a fallen angels army with Cypher at the head.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922652.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922652.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922704.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922704.page GMT Yes the picture quality sucks.


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922735.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922735.page GMT DW FA would be bad as hell expensive as hell too. Just use it as a pre heresy army with DW and FA rules. Just play casually with them. Hmm that makes me think do the FA use the same book as dark angels cause i dont think i have seen the troop stats in CSM codex or do they use the regular CSM stats? Sorry for my ignorance i just found this hobby last year.


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@imp. monkey you ought to do it anyway DW FA would be bad as hell expensive as hell too. Just use it as a pre heresy army with DW and FA rules. Just play casually with them. Hmm that makes me think do the FA use the same book as dark angels cause i dont think i have seen the troop stats in CSM codex or do they use the regular CSM stats? Sorry for my ignorance i just found this hobby last year.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922765.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922765.page GMT DA) armour was black, don't actually know why they made it green

@vindicator- Should I use CSM codex or DA codex for them, also what should Cypher be in your opinion, as he is in the old CSM codex or as a DA company master?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922854.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922854.page GMT DA book with Cypher being used out of the CSM codex just for a thought. That way he still has his good stats and you have the DA which of course is what they were pretty much before the heresy. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922872.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922872.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922908.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922908.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922948.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/922948.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/923211.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/923211.page GMT IIRC was in WD just about the time EOT came out, with a bit of fluff that had him fighting a C'tan, and loosing his phase knife. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/927397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/927397.page GMT imo to have cypher + company with some chaos mutations like angel wings (possibly even just one wing or burnt/broken wings to show they are fallen) and make them a raptor squad and cypher the aspiring champ wielding a plasma pistol (you might even ask your opponent if he would allow a bolt pistol + plasma pistol even though the rules don't allow it). Just imagine a huge squad of raptors falling from the sky on top of you with guns blazing and then slice you to bits in hand to hand. I think it is safe to say that cypher is more imperial aligned today(probably trying to resurrect or give the emperor's peace to the emperor) but the chaos gods saved him and the other fallen so who knows what kind of abilities/curses he's gained from that Faustian bargain. To me, the pre-fallen Cypher was simply a Dark Angel marine that hadn't realized his destiny yet. He had earned the title of "Lord Cypher" and was an advisor to the dark angels , but after he joined the fallen he became extremely well known across the universe and became one of the most notorious figures in the 40k game setting.

I would not make him my chaos lord because he isnt necessarily the leader of a large group, he is more of an elite squad that joins in battles with other groups. He might be fighting alongside some ahriman-led thousand sons that are going to some far-off archive to plunder the knowledge and Cypher is coming along to steal some artifact/knowledge that will help him in his quest. Or he might be fighting alongside a newly renegade chapter (ie souldrinkers) or a borderline renegade chapter (ie relictors, etc) to complete some secret goal.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/927731.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/927731.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/927759.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/927759.page GMT DA and another chapter. (I believe it was Black Templars). Black Templars were the ones that met him, and he did not resist in fact saying "Hmmmm, you are not the lapdogs of the Lion. How interesting...". Consequently, all contact was lost with that particular crusade. (Mabye DA are REALLY desperate)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/927763.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/927763.page GMT
He's a Dark Angel, and therefore has gone back to the recesses of his cave to cut himself and cry. He has no chance of touching Terra, end of story. And if you want to argue he can get there, this is the 40k universe, where GW tries to keep selling minis. If they let Cypher kill the Empra (Or get onto Terra and cause havoc to moral), END OF STORY.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/928382.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/928382.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/928397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/928397.page GMT
It's not going to matter, he won't make it. If he even tries to get that close, havoc will be caused and gaks and giggles will occur. Therefore, it can't happen. Cypher was made to sell you another model and more because you had to buy upgrade packs to get the robe bits.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/928402.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/928402.page GMT GW do this to ultimately sell models and make money (however much they try to tell us otherwise) you do just have to get into the spirit of it all!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/928422.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/928422.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/930378.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/930378.page GMT CSM Lord with the mark of Tzeentch and I'm counting his pistols as a demon weapon. Which means he can blast right through space marines, so I think it's a more than acceptable substitution for bolt and plasma pistols.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/998835.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/998835.page GMT Inq codex.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/998855.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/998855.page GMT IG use to be able to use him as an ally? I dont have that codex right in front of me, but I thought they could]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/999798.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/999798.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/999980.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/999980.page GMT Oh, and that GW puts as much energy into their codecies as the average cat puts into shaving its owners beard.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/1006142.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/253303/1006142.page GMT