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				<description><![CDATA[ Hey guys, I've been play testing a lot of games now, and I've tweaked my previous list a bit, so I wanted to see what you all thought. Here it is:<br /> <br /> Farseer-Doom, Rune of Warding<br /> 95<br /> <br /> 6 Fire Dragons<br /> Wave Serpent-Spirit Stones, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Shuriken Cannon<br /> 206<br /> <br /> 9 Dire Avengers-Exarch, Dual Catapults, Bladestorm<br /> Wave Serpent-Spirit Stones, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Bright Lance<br /> 285<br /> <br /> 10 Dire Avengers-Exarch, Dual Catapults, Bladestorm<br /> Wave Serpent-Spirit Stones, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Bright Lance<br /> 297<br /> <br /> 10 Storm Guardians-2 Flamers, Warlock, Destructor<br /> Wave Serpent-Spirit Stones, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Bright Lance<br /> 272<br /> <br /> Fire Prism<br /> 115<br /> <br /> Fire Prism<br /> 115<br /> <br /> Fire Prism<br /> 115<br /> <br /> total:1500<br /> <br /> The things I'm most unsure of are a)the Storm Guardians, because of their flimsiness (I used to take Pathfinders instead) and b) the bog standard Doomseer (I used to take Eldard with the points left over from losing the 4th Serpent)<br /> Opinions please!! <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The 4th serpent will replace the pathfinders 2+ save easily. The stormies should just stay in until they need to clear an objective or stay in all together; they just work as a cheap troop choice. Eldrad is to expensive for 1500 points when you have another seer.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:37:52]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Lynch]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I would consider dropping a fire prism and half a squad of Dire avengers.  Then you can take 4 more fire dragons and a falcon.  Put 5 avengers into the falcon and dragons into a wave serpent.<br /> <br /> Then you have 2 quality units against heavy armor instead of just one.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 29 Aug 2009 03:51:27]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Timmah]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Fire prisms take out armor... So do the 3 bright lances]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 29 Aug 2009 04:12:09]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Lynch]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Looks like honestly a solid list really.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 29 Aug 2009 05:24:04]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Hollismason]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Looks rather solid.<br /> I wouldn't take Pathfinders as they give your opponent a focus and this is not what you want. <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:10:22]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Honestly, I think the Storm guardians are a better choice than the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span>, but that's just me.<br /> <br /> if you change the 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> s1quads into <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(215);'>SG</span> sqads, you save 38 points, that can be used to add 2 fire dragons, as well as add 2 Spears to your Storm guardian squads, for a little more ranged <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span>.  Or you can add just one fire dragon, then add an exarch with a dragon's breath flamer, and then every squad in your army is good at both anti horde and antitank, and everything is scary to something.<br /> <br /> I like the list though.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:06:52]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Sushicaddy]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Looks pretty solid<br /> Fire prisms kick ass  <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0"><br /> However, storm gaurdians are a weakness, toughness 3 and 5+ save...<br /> Take two sqauds of pathfinders if you must take troops, but banshees are your best option, especially seeing your farseer has doom.<br /> Take 8 in the serpen with excutioner exarch]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:21:11]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Khaine]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Looks solid really.  I as well dont really like storm guardians a lot and would probably try taking a unit of pathfinders and perhaps a unit of bikes instead.  Could even take pathfinders and two small units of bikes.  <br /> <br /> Yes pathfinders may give your opponent a target, but its not a bad idea to give them something to go after to break up their forces.  The bikes can be used to grab objectives or again they can be useful to distract and disperse your opponent.  Three bikes are cheap enough to throw away if they cause your opponent to lose his focus.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Sliggoth]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Sliggoth]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The Stormies are great.  Keep them.<br /> <br /> They add in a 3rd scoring <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(149);'>WS</span>, which is huge for a mech list.  Any footslogging troops will hamper your play in pure mech, as it gives your opponents something to shoot their bolters/lasguns at.<br /> <br /> Also, when you face any kind of horde, you will be very glad to have 2x Flamers + Destructor.  Tanks shock them all to gether with the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(149);'>WS</span>, then hop out and burn them <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> Heck, that combo even fries <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(95);'>MEQs</span>, if you doom them first.  A couple of weeks ago, my Stormies with the exact same setup did that to a unit of Necron warriors and killed every single one of them...no <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(142);'>WBB</span> for them!]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Alerian]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ In my opinion you have way too much anti tank.  How many AV14 are you planning on running up against in 1500 Pts.<br /> <br /> What do you think of this keeping with what you have built with some changes to star cannons instead of brightlances.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>: Farseer (1#, 98 Pts)<br />    1 Farseer @ 98 Pts<br />       Psyker;  Doom ; Fleet; Ghost Helm (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(390);'>GH</span>); Rune Armour (RAmr); Runes of Warding (RofWard); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Singing Spear (SSpr)<br /> <br /> Troops: Dire Avengers (10#, 280 Pts)<br />    8 Dire Avengers @ 280 Pts<br />       Fleet; Avenger S-Catapult (ASC)<br />       1 Dire Avenger Exarch @ [39] Pts<br />          Fleet;  Bladestorm  (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span>); Avenger S-Catapult (ASC)<br />       1 Wave Serpent @ [145] Pts<br />          Energy Field (Wave Serpent); Spirit Stone (V:SpStn); Shuriken Cannon (SCan); <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Starcannon (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-StrCan)<br /> <br /> Troops: Dire Avengers (10#, 280 Pts)<br />    8 Dire Avengers @ 280 Pts<br />       Fleet; Avenger S-Catapult (ASC)<br />       1 Dire Avenger Exarch @ [39] Pts<br />          Fleet;  Bladestorm  (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span>); Avenger S-Catapult (ASC)<br />       1 Wave Serpent @ [145] Pts<br />          Energy Field (Wave Serpent); Spirit Stone (V:SpStn); Shuriken Cannon (SCan); <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Starcannon (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-StrCan)<br /> <br /> Troops: Guardian Squad (12#, 272 Pts)<br />    0 Guardian Squad @ 272 Pts<br />       Fleet<br />       10 G Storm Squad @ [92] Pts<br />          Close Combat Weapon; Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Flamer (x2)<br />       1 Warlock @ [35] Pts<br />          Psyker;  Destructor ; Fleet; Rune Armour (RAmr); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(279);'>WB</span>)<br />       1 Wave Serpent @ [145] Pts<br />          Energy Field (Wave Serpent); Spirit Stone (V:SpStn); Shuriken Cannon (SCan); <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Starcannon (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-StrCan)<br /> <br /> Elite: Fire Dragons (6#, 225 Pts)<br />    5 Fire Dragons @ 225 Pts<br />       Fleet; Fusion Gun (Fg); Melta Bombs<br />       1 Wave Serpent @ [145] Pts<br />          Energy Field (Wave Serpent); Spirit Stone (V:SpStn); Shuriken Cannon (SCan); <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Starcannon (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-StrCan)<br /> <br /> Heavy Support: Fire Prism (1#, 115 Pts)<br />    1 Fire Prism @ 115 Pts<br />       <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Shuriken Catapult (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-Scat); Prism Cannon (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(331);'>PC</span>)<br /> <br /> Heavy Support: Fire Prism (1#, 115 Pts)<br />    1 Fire Prism @ 115 Pts<br />       <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Shuriken Catapult (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-Scat); Prism Cannon (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(331);'>PC</span>)<br /> <br /> Heavy Support: Fire Prism (1#, 115 Pts)<br />    1 Fire Prism @ 115 Pts<br />       <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Shuriken Catapult (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-Scat); Prism Cannon (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(331);'>PC</span>)<br /> <br /> Total Roster Cost: 1500]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ sbeasley]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks for the help everyone, I've taken all you've said into consideration and have decided finally to go with this list:<br /> <br /> Eldrad Ulthran<br /> 210<br /> <br /> 6 Fire Dragons<br /> Wave Serpent-Spirit Stones, Bright Lance<br /> 241<br /> <br /> 9 Dire Avengers<br /> Wave Serpent-Spirit Stones, Bright Lance<br /> 285<br /> <br /> 10 Dire Avengers<br /> Wave Serpent-Spirit Stones, Bright Lance<br /> 297<br /> <br /> 5 Pathfinders<br /> 120<br /> <br /> Fire Prism<br /> 115<br /> <br /> Fire Prism<br /> 115<br /> <br /> Fire Prism<br /> 115<br /> <br /> total: 1498<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Looks solid really. I as well dont really like storm guardians a lot and would probably try taking a unit of pathfinders and perhaps a unit of bikes instead. Could even take pathfinders and two small units of bikes. <br /> <br /> Yes pathfinders may give your opponent a target, but its not a bad idea to give them something to go after to break up their forces. The bikes can be used to grab objectives or again they can be useful to distract and disperse your opponent. Three bikes are cheap enough to throw away if they cause your opponent to lose his focus. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Sliggoth<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I agree about the Stormies, and so the Pathfinders are back in, and instead of Jetbikes, I took the mighty Eldrad for his amazing Fortune spamming ability <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>What do you think of this keeping with what you have built with some changes to star cannons instead of brightlances. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> In short, no, Starcannons are naff and a total waste of points. For cheaper you can get Scatter Laser which is same <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>Str</span> double the number of shots! Or for slightly more you can get the Bright Lance which is equally great at destroying AV12, 13 and 14, including other skimmers, Land Raiders (Leman Russ, Vindicators, Iron Clads, the list goes on)<br /> I'm gonna stick with the Bright Lances thanks. If I went with DAVU instead of full Avenger units, I might consider souble Shuriken Cannon, since I won't be moving as far, but I'm not <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ bobdole4eva]]></author>
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