http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net GK army now, simply for the great models and the low model count needed.
Are land raiders really needed? or is it something 3 las dreads can take care of instead? (dont like the LR models)

Also, has anyone got any rough lists they can throw here please? looking for a semi mobile list with some good options, termies are something i do want in the army.
Also, im tempted to use the hector rex model for a GM, any thoughts or ideas please?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/949493.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/949493.page GMT GK....as if this is not hard enough you really are thinking about playing those without any LR ?
How are you protecting your very costly standards then?
How are you getting heavy weapons on the field that last long enough to fire them?

I dont think that you really can play a pure GK army in these days without LR in games with 750p. and up, sorry.

For me, a playable list in the Demonhunters-Arena looks something like this:

HQ1: Grey Knight Hero
-1 x Grey Knight Captain [61]
--
61

ELITES1: Inquisitor
-1 x Inquisitor [20]
-1 x Bolt Pistol [1]
-2 x Mystic [12]
--
33

Dedicated Transport1: Landraider
-1 x Landraider [250]
-1 x Smoke Launcher [3]
-1 x Dozer Blade [5]
--
258

ELITES2: Inquisitor
-1 x Inquisitor [20]
-1 x Bolt Pistol [1]
-2 x Mystic [12]
--
33

Dedicated Transport2: Landraider
-1 x Landraider [250]
-1 x Smoke Launcher [3]
-1 x Dozer Blade [5]
--
258

TROOPS1: Inquisitorial Stormtroopers
-5 x Inquisitorial Stormtroopers [50]
-2 x Hellgun-->Melta [20]
--
70

TROOPS2: Inquisitorial Stormtroopers
-5 x Inquisitorial Stormtroopers [50]
-2 x Hellgun-->Melta [20]
--
70

TROOPS3: Infantry Platoon
-1 x Command Squad [30]
-4 x Lasgun-->Flamer [20]
--
50

Infantry Squad1
-1 x Infantry Squad [50]
-1 x Lasgun-->Flamer [5]
--
55

Infantry Squad2
-1 x Infantry Squad [50]
-1 x Lasgun-->Flamer [5]
--
55

HEAVY SUPPORT1: Landraider Crusader
-1 x Landraider Crusader [255]
-1 x Smoke Launcher [3]
-1 x Dozer Blade [5]
--
263

HEAVY SUPPORT2: Landraider Crusader
-1 x Landraider Crusader [255]
-1 x Smoke Launcher [3]
-1 x Dozer Blade [5]
--
263

HEAVY SUPPORT3: Landraider Crusader
-1 x Landraider Crusader [255]
-1 x Smoke Launcher [3]
-1 x Dozer Blade [5]
--
263

1750


There are some Forummember playing pure GK, there is always the question of how competitive those lists really are.
Here is one example for you:


HQ

Grandmaster 145 psycannon 30 hammerhand 10 185

Elites

4 Terminators 1 psycannon 1 Bro with psycannon holocaust 274

4 Terminators 1 psycannon Bro with thunder hammer shield holocaust 244



Troops

6 GK 2 psycannon Justicar melta bomb targeter 231

Same 231

Fast Attack

6 GK 2 incinerators Justicar with Demon hammer 225

Heavy Support

1 dreadnaught assault cannon extra armor 115



total 1505


This might more what you are thinking about, no LR and a little dependant on the support of the Emperor himself...

But all in all I really like the Idea of a pure GK army, dont get me wrong.
There is nothing out there that looks better on the gaming table...
Good luck

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/949609.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/949609.page GMT lol therapy that 1st 1750 list is brutal, I love it. guardsmen in land raiders!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/950043.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/950043.page GMT GK army. Dreads don't cut the mustard in games 1000pts and above...I feel GK's don't come into their own until the 2000pt mark. Yeah you can field 5 land raiders and a ton of cheap troop choices and win easily but who wants that? GK's is about needing to rely on tactics which makes them so fun to play...

HQ

Grand Master
4 Terminator Retinue + 1 thunder hammer/storm shield + 1 incinerator
344pts


TROOP

1 Justicar + Melta Bombs
6 Grey Knights + 1 Incinerator
215pts

1 Justicar + Melta Bombs
6 Grey Knights + 1 incinerator
215pts

1 Justicar
5 Grey Knights + 2 Psycannons
225pts

1 Justicar
5 Grey Knights + 2 Psycannons
225pts


HEAVY SUPPORT

Land Raider + Extra Armor, Smoke, Searchlight
259

Land Raider + Extra Armor, Smoke, Searchlight
259

Land Raider + Extra Armor, Smoke
258


Total 2000pts


Magnetize the side mounted lascannons so you can swap from a land raider to a crusader if facing a horde army.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/950110.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/950110.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/950179.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/950179.page GMT GK are really difficult to play, so don't expect to do very well if you're going to play competitively. Land Raiders are a necessity, because (IMHO,) despite my undying love for them, their codex was very badly written. They're not the ultimate badasses they should be, but expensive as hell MEQs without Rhinos and heavy guns. I'd reccomend cramming as many Terminators as you can into the list, as well as as many Land Raiders as possible. The regular PAGK aren't very good at what they're supposed to do (they're not even good fodder) so take as few as necessary; not to say that you should only take two squads, but know when enough's enough with these guys. (Hell, not even in the fan art and concepts are there very many PAGKs, they're mostly termies.... lol)

But Termies are their strong point. I'd take as many as possible.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/950195.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/950195.page GMT
He was asking about a pure "Grey Knight" army. Imperial Guard and stormtroopers do not qualify the army "he" is interested in making. So yeah if you want to just play Daemonhunters, then run your list. Yet he wants to play a pure "Grey Knights" army...Therefore, my army qualifies and is about as good as it'll get playing pure.

Thanks for your input though....next]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/951649.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/951649.page GMT GK's need some ideas. And that before buying an expensive army that looks nice, but is not effective enough.

Pure GK is definitely a nice army when playing against some of ur buddies for fun and not loosing every single game.

Just taking the codex though you dont have an underpowered army, you just have some bad troop choices in any compeditve mode that is played.
This is why i postet the LR list with guard and stormtroopers up in there. There is no way you can beat that with a pure GK list, shrouding and all....
It is like playing space wolves without the new codex, there is better stuff out there...

What i dont get in ur pure GK list is the searchlight for the LR's. A waste of points for almost no effect. And then you are running them with no dozer blades?

I would skip the GM for Stern, he is cheaper and comes with some nice add ons that are expensive choices for ur force leader.

at least one Crusader would be my choice too, so you have the choice of either dropping ur Termis or sending them in with the Crusader. While dropping them mann the Crusader with the Squad GK with the Incinerator]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/952453.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/952453.page GMT
and ya you can always drop the HQ to another cheaper figure.

He also seems to not want to run a tourney worthy army, hence wanting to play pure to begin with.

As I stated already, magnetize the weapons on the LR's so you can swap out depending on what type of army you are facing.


Build a better "pure" GK army]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/953392.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/953392.page GMT LR i would go with the list I already postet, slightly modified for the 2k list


HQ

Grandmaster 145 psycannon 30 hammerhand 10 185
3 Terminator Guard, with psycannon, 1 with Thunder hamm/shield 163
Capt Stern 141

Elites

5 Terminators 1 psycannon 1 Bro Capt. with psycannon,1 psycannon, 1 with Thunder hamm/shield 300

5 Terminators 1 psycannon 1 Bro Capt. with psycannon, 1 psycannon,1 with Thunder hamm/shield 300



Troops

6 GK 2 psycannon Justicar melta bomb targeter 231

6 GK 2 psycannon Justicar melta bomb targeter 231

Fast Attack

7 GK 1 Incinerator, Justicar melta bomb 215

Heavy Support


1 dreadnaught , LK,Missile launcher, extra armor, smoke 148

1 dreadnaught , LK,Missile launcher, extra armor, smoke 148

1 dreadnaught , LK,Missile launcher, extra armor, smoke 148



total 1995

Since the LR variant was not wanted I guess this is more like it.
For me the GK standard troops are the weakest part in the army, so maximise the strongest.
That would be the termis, utilizing the advantage of hell of a lot more powerweapons than ur opponent can field. Thunderhammers for the vehicle takedowns and thats it.
Playable, but way better with some LR support...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/954436.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/954436.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/955425.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/255021/955425.page GMT