<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "New Ogre player needs tactical advice."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net New Ogre player needs tactical advice. 40K player just getting into fantasy and am starting a new ogre army. I have played Empire for a few months so I am familiar with basic rules.
Today i am going to buy a Ogre battalion, 2 irongut boxs, Tyrant, a Bucher and the Codex or whatever you call it.
This gives me 12 ironguts, 6 bulls, 4 leadbelchers, 24 gnoblars, tyrant, and a bucher.

are there any tactics/wargear options that can be recommended for this list. I plan on running it MSU with 2 three man bull squads and either 3/4 man ironguts squads or 4/3 man squads.

What about Gut magic, heard it's really good any tricks for me?

Are Rhinox's worth the points?

and any recommendations on future purchases to add to the above list?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1022680.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1022680.page GMT Re:New Ogre player needs tactical advice. lvl 2 wizard won't do anything. Gut magic is good since it gives a large range of spells all at a cheap casting value. None of that matters if your opponent has more dispel than you have casting.

Rhinox (I assume you mean the riders, not the scraplauncher?) are indeed worth the points, but some opponents might have issue with rules not in the codex.

As long as you kit out the characters correctly, that looks like a good start. Gorgers, yhetis, maneaters, trappers, and scrap launchers are all good additions. The choice I would steer clear of is hunters. Just a classic example if cool model, junk rules. Don't bother with the slave giant, not having stubborn means that he losses way to many combats.

Also a word of advice, don't play any more than min bulls, unless you know exactly what you are doing. They have worse leadership and S than ironguts, and the point difference isn't great enough to justify them. (well, if you give them NO upgrades, then the choice is a little harder)

Don't buy command for any unit unless you are planning on something specific. The most useful command choice is the musician, but his cost is pretty high, and I usually skipped them.

Here is a pretty common hero configuration:
Tyrant: Tenderizer, jade lion, mawseeker big name, heavy armor ~ 296
Butcher#1: seigebreaker, skullmantle ~ 180
Butcher#2: bang stick, dispel scroll ~ 180
Butcher#3: hell heart ~ 180

This is the package I ran almost every game.

The tyrant is stupid, but LD doesn't fail all that often. He gets to re roll failled Psychology anyways. He is T6, and if toothcracker goes off he gets to T7, so normal guys can't even hurt him. He hits like a ton of bricks, with 5 attacks (though only at WS6) S7, causing D3 wounds. He is able to bring most things down in challenge, and can kill monsters quite well.

Butcher 1 has a nasty weapon, S7 on him, and can kill certain things really well. Like empire steam tanks, they take 3d6 wounds automatically from that weapon. Also braingorger and other panic test caused by him are at -1 leadership, which is nice.

Butcher 2 has a good bound item, not the greatest, but good at hurting troublesome skirmishers and fast cav.

Butcher 3 is a gimmick, causing miscasts for one turn on ANY double is quite a nasty surprise. Not as good as some armies similar items (ring of hotek for DE, the shard for HE, and many others) but it can keep the big spells away for one turn. If you don't like that one, feel free to run halfling cookbook, scrolls or whatever else floats your boat.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1024185.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1024185.page GMT Re:New Ogre player needs tactical advice.
Rhinox rider don't have a model but i saw the metal Rhinox GW has. Do I get that and model an ogre bull on top?

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1025476.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1025476.page GMT Re:New Ogre player needs tactical advice. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/rhinoxc.htm]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1025504.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1025504.page GMT Re:New Ogre player needs tactical advice. TL is $60 ), compared to 40k models]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1025620.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1025620.page GMT New Ogre player needs tactical advice.
From my experience (playing against them that is) go with three Butchers and the Tyrant. It doesn't really matter how you kit them out just make sure that you kill stuff with the Tyrant and support your remaining Ogres with the Butchers. Lots of Gorgers are terrifying as well (if you take Skragg). Musicians are pricey but worth it as well. Other than that just make sure you get the charge. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1026123.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1026123.page GMT New Ogre player needs tactical advice. str ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1033503.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1033503.page GMT Re:New Ogre player needs tactical advice. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1068533.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1068533.page GMT Re:New Ogre player needs tactical advice.
I Mathhammered a unit of 4 ironguts against 10 ranked inner-circle empire knights who had the charge and the results were, Knights caused 2 unsaved wounds and ogres caused 2 unsaved wounds = win for ogres, Knights got away not that it matters.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1068906.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1068906.page GMT New Ogre player needs tactical advice.
Ogres dont stand up to cav units that well. They need to bait and flee with bulls and counter charge with the ironguts to beat cav units. They usually win given the charge.

Rinox cav are allowed in about half the tournaments here. Just depends on the organizers. Sometimes only ogres can use em which is fine for u. They are awesome.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1070184.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1070184.page GMT Re:New Ogre player needs tactical advice. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1072010.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1072010.page GMT Re:New Ogre player needs tactical advice.
Grey Templar wrote:you sure, Knights +1 for standard +2 for wounds and 0 for rank(now only 8 left) Ogres +1 for standard +2 for wounds so a tie at least. Do the knights still outnumber? Ogres unit strength 12. Knights 8 after all wounds resolved.


Rank bonus is calculated BEFORE losses (so the knights keep it for this combat round) and a knight has unit strength 2, meaning a unit of 8 has unit strength 16, outnumbering the ogres.

All in all the ogres lose by 2.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1072514.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1072514.page GMT Re:New Ogre player needs tactical advice. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1073294.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/259634/1073294.page GMT