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Essentially, I need to go after the enemy's deathstar, and just hope I do well. Unfortunately most of them are deadly enough that I can't send in skeletons on the flank to negate their rank bonus - they'll build more combat res killing skeletons than I will take away by flanking. I just have to hope for the best, and use things like the Varghulf or my Cairn Wraiths to come in the side and just cause extra damage.


Thoughts? Honestly I'm sick of all these deathstars. Give me a cheesy daemons army that uses multiple units in conjunction with one another to create a powerful army build than one power unit with a supporting cast.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1047983.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1047983.page GMT Take down the death star! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1048014.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1048014.page GMT Take down the death star!
I.E. 20 Man Minotaur Regiment.

Beating Deathstars just involves charging it with every other unit it your army, IMHO.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1048032.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1048032.page GMT Take down the death star!
But something like a block of chosen with greatweapons with regenerate and a 4+ ward save... you'll end up just losing multiple units.

In MOST cases, beating a deathstar requires another deathstar.

But this thread's not about how to beat a deathstar, more of SHOULD you. Is it necessary, when someone brings one, to actually devote the resources to take it down? NOT doing so usually results in a tie if you can avoid the deathmachine. USUALLY. Should you try to kill everything else, keep your stuff alive, and hope it's enough? Or should you try to bring it down? That's the question for this thread.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1048086.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1048086.page GMT Re:Take down the death star! OP made the point that deathstars have so many points in them that you pretty much have to kill them to get anything other than a draw.

Deathstars power entirely depends on whether it is unbreakable or not IMO. Unbreakable usually means that even if you charge with your entire force, you may not do enough damage to stop the deathstars killing machines from breaking you off. Deathstars that are breakable are easily defeated with multi charges in rear and flank. No rank, stay away from the characters in the front, oops! Broken, run down, win!

Undead are probably the hardest deathstar I could think of, followed by an unholy one I encountered of 17 Juggers and 3 Heralds of Khorne. *shudder*]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1048107.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1048107.page GMT Take down the death star! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1048136.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1048136.page GMT Take down the death star!
ZF-]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1048196.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1048196.page GMT Take down the death star! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1049169.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1049169.page GMT Take down the death star!
He's playing Undead, so no Grey Seers there.

If you feel sad and pathetic enough, you could make a unit of your own. 15 Blood Knights with the Flag of Blood Keep, and a Vampire BSB with the Drakenhof Banner, Dread Knight and Walking Death, and a Vampire Lord with Dread Knight, Walach's Bloody Hauberk, Infinite Hatred and Red Fury... I think the Sword of Might would be all he needs in the magic weapon department.

I don't think there are many units that could stand up to these guys.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1049604.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1049604.page GMT Take down the death star! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1049778.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1049778.page GMT Take down the death star! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1049838.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1049838.page GMT Take down the death star! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1050075.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1050075.page GMT Take down the death star!
Having seen so many though, I'm starting to figure them out. For instance the amazing chosen chaos deathstar using warshrines - generally, to allow them to do damage, they go sorceror heavy, and in order to cast spells they need to be in the front rank. That means their front rank consists of....crap, pretty much. 2 or 3 S4 attacks at WS5, per model. And once they're in melee, they can't cast half their spells, and you're killing them off gradually. You may in the end lose against their deathstar, but if you can lose your unit and in the process kill all their characters, then you should win out in the deal and may just win anyway!

Someone mentioned unbreakable deathstars - aren't stubborn deathstars just as hard? Rolling on a Stubborn 10 with a re-roll seems pretty hard to shake to me, unless I'm rolling the dice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1052673.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1052673.page GMT Re:Take down the death star!
With Gateway out there every death star other than DE can suddenly have a really bad day

I am not a fan of Death Stars..... makes the game too boring.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1052926.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1052926.page GMT Take down the death star! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1059944.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1059944.page GMT Take down the death star! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1061086.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1061086.page GMT Take down the death star! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1073368.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1073368.page GMT Take down the death star!
Take your elite level unit and charge the front 5 times and work out the results.

Then do the same when charging the flank.

Then do the same when charging the rear.

Now take that information that you just learned, and figure out a way to charge your opponents death star unit in the rear, or flank 100% of the time.. sorry that I spoiled the results of the test.

Also a character in that unit will really help the your cause.

small footprint rank breakers are disgustingly effective for about 1/5th the points cost.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1076006.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1076006.page GMT Take down the death star!
Ragnar4 wrote:small footprint rank breakers are disgustingly effective for about 1/5th the points cost.


Pardon my ignorance... "Small footprint rank breakers"?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1077046.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1077046.page GMT Take down the death star!
Vulcan wrote:
Ragnar4 wrote:small footprint rank breakers are disgustingly effective for about 1/5th the points cost.


Pardon my ignorance... "Small footprint rank breakers"?


Not ignorant at all... don't sweat it! =D

Bone Giant, Giants, Hydras characters on most monsterous mounts.

Small footprint means they have a smaller base, and a rank-breaker means just that, if they charge in the rear or flank they nullify ranks.

A bone giant will crushinate a lot of deathstar units, and that deathstar unit is 1k points, my giant is 265. A regular giant will also put the hurt on a deathstar... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1079260.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1079260.page GMT Take down the death star!
Then again the giant could yell and send them running, lol.

[that, by the way, is another reason I prefer undead. Oh, we lose by 2? let me make regeneration saves...ok failed one. Now my BSB kicks in, and nobody dies. We've already made our attacks for the round, so no harm done! Thanks for not jumping on me!]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1079414.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1079414.page GMT Re:Take down the death star! Flames of the Phoenix.... the bigger the unit, the more pain it suffers.

I don't play new chaos, is Green Fire of Tzeentch still about?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1086742.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1086742.page GMT Take down the death star! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1088471.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1088471.page GMT Take down the death star!
xenite wrote:Leonidas, at the Battle of Thermopylae, was basically just a big cheese-monster, and totally fielded a death star made of Spartans.


Technically true, but the scenario was a Meat Grinder derivative, and he was playing at a 10:1 point handicap against a slave-spamming Skaven, err, Persian general.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1096927.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1096927.page GMT Take down the death star!
Some deathstars (mostly cavalry ones) can probably be ground down if you hit them in the side. I think probably each one will have a different weakness though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1119245.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/261310/1119245.page GMT Take down the death star! When you come up with a battle plan at the start of game think about which of these three strategies will garner the most points and has the highest chances for success.

1) Kill the Characters. All deathstars are led by characters and usually theyre the ones making the deathstar a deathstar. Find a simple non-risky way to cake this character.

2) Kill the Rest of the Army. Generally a deathstar costs 1k or more points. As a direct result of that the rest of the army is cummy in comparison. Cut it down while taking minimal casualties and you can easily get a minor victory or even a solid.

3) Kill the Deathstar. I once vowed to kill a 20 man unit of blackguard at the beginning of a game. By the end they were all dead. When it comes to elven deathstars that's the usual way to go. In any event if you can destroy half of the deathstar and take out some of the rest of the army then winning wont be a problem. Remember if the deathstar dies, youre pretty much guaranteed a victory.
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Orlanth wrote:Flames of the Phoenix.... the bigger the unit, the more pain it suffers.

I don't play new chaos, is Green Fire of Tzeentch still about?


No it is not, but we have a new one
Infernal Gateway, cast value 15, 2d6 hist and 2d6 Strength. Roll an 11 or 12 on the strength and the whole
targeted unit is gone, including characters, ouch! (not very easy to pull of though, hitting 11/12, only done it twice myself)

//Edge



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Ops! Sorry Forgot the name change. Yeah it is still there but under another name... Treason of Tzeentch...

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