<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA)"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA) BA army. I can kill his ranged (if I don't get distracted), I can whittle down his free Death company, but the flying combo that is hell on wheels forces me to turn enough of my army towards him that I begin to neglect things. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to kill them.

My army is an Ork gunline btw.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1075298.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1075298.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA)
I would use a Dread or a Kan or three to take them out. Mephiston is only Str 5 on the charge, and has no Invulnerable save. Dante's a beast, but against walkers he's still squishy.

I guess the main problem you'll have is catching them, really. Lootas might be your best answer. Shoot them out of the sky.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1075712.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1075712.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA) 2. Lootas
3. Even more Lootas!

In a serious note, put 15 burnas in Battlewagon (or 12 in a Trukk) and pack them near the unit Dante's unit is probably gonna charge. When he closes up (or kills the unit) just go closer and unleash 10-15 burnas on the unit!
They WILL die. Bealive me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1075722.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1075722.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA) FNP. both characters have 2+ armor save so no, a burna squad is not going to kill them.

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I reccomend p.k's in any units that can take them, your opponent will think twice about charging when there is a chance he will lose his 200pt special character. Also, your Warboss w/ p.k. causes instant death to Memphiston. Abuse it well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1077769.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1077769.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA)
Okay so your intent is to use the burna boyz as an assault squad. Let's assume there are ten boyz in a trukk all armed with burnaz. Suppose the boyz are blessed by Gork and Mork... their trukk is not destroyed and they get off the charge. First Dante and Mephiston get to strike first. Five attacks for both BA HQ plus Mephiston passes his psychic test and gets three additional attacks. So five for Dante and eight for Mephiston. Both BA HQ hit on 3+ with rerolls for missed hits.

Dante -> 5 attacks, 3 hit and 1 more for the rerolls = 4 hits, 2 wounds without armor saves

Mephiston -> 8 attacks, 5 hit and 2 more for the rerolls = 7 hits, 5 more wounds without armor saves

There are 3 boyz left with 3 attacks apiece hitting on 4+ -> 9 attacks total and 5 hit, suppose you put all the hits on Mephiston since he does not have an INV save. If you are lucky that's 2 wounds. Neither BA HQ is destroyed and the burna boyz are most likely overrun since they just lost combat by 5 wounds. If you target both BA HQ then they take even less wounds. If the BA HQ were to charge the burna boyz, which I feel is more likely then it's even worse for the boyz.

I think you would have much better odds with mega armored Nobz in an open topped battlewagon. That's just me though.

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Anyways, like others said, Kans! The beauty of dreads and kans is they can take out super huge threats if the threat can't deal with armo are with a weapon skill The same thing happens everytime I try typhus... he gets charged by a dread or wraithlord and gets pwned.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1080069.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1080069.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA)
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Cheese Elemental wrote:Kanz and Dreads are your best bet. Death Company might eventually bring them down with Rending, but Mephiston and Dante don't stand a chance.
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Zid wrote:Orc... gunline...? I didn't even know orcs could shoot gunline @_@

Anyways, like others said, Kans! The beauty of dreads and kans is they can take out super huge threats if the threat can't deal with armo are with a weapon skill The same thing happens everytime I try typhus... he gets charged by a dread or wraithlord and gets pwned.


If Typhus is getting killed by wraithlords you are doing something wrong. Typhus is almost purpose built for killing MC's with 3+D6 attacks that always wound on 4's that are also force weapon attacks that don't require a psychic test....

On to OP's question. You deal with that nasty combo the same way orks deal with any infantry threat, MORE BOYS! if you get the charge with 30 boys that whole gaggle should be dropping to the 100+ attacks followed up by a PK nob just to make sure.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1080700.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1080700.page GMT Re:Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA) PKs clean up at the end.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1080713.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1080713.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA)
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Sorry if I am a bit biased, the last time I faced Memphiston he an his death company did nothing except die to a small unit of Harlequins. I was not impressed. Dante, however, is very potent. Kanz/Thraka are the only units I can advise.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1084377.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1084377.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA)
Green Blow Fly wrote:Mephiston is T5 plus has FNP. both characters have 2+ armor save so no, a burna squad is not going to kill them.

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roll enough dice and everything dies... 15 burnas fire their flamer templates first then charge... that should soften them up quite a bit, plus any gun on their trukk. I've killed a termy squad with a ton of lasguns it's always possible with numbers]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1084715.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1084715.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1084728.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1084728.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA)
Warboss Gutrip wrote:You aren't able to use a force weapon if you have already cast your maximum number of spells, and if memphiston doesn't use it, he goes snip-snip.


Um, no. A force weapon counts as a power weapon. He doesn't have to use a psychic power to make it count as a power weapon, only to invoke the instant death capability which is what you are referring to. However, Mephy can use all three of the BA psychic powers and his force weapon each turn. It's in his Lord of Death rule in the codex. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1085014.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1085014.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA) BA HQ getting off the charge since they both count as having jump packs and orks have no counter to psychic abilities. If the BA HQ charge the boyz then the burnaz are only wounding Mephiston on the roll of a 6. He will pretty much clean their clocks.

Okay so let's do the math hammer for 12 burna boyz in a trukk pulling up to flame and charge the BA HQ. I wil be generous and assume that all the flamers can touch both HQ but assume they are not joined into one unit:

12 shots, 6 on Dante & another 6 on Mephiston
3 wounds on Dante who makes all his saves (artificer armor)
2 wounds on Mephiston who also makes all his saves (artificer armor)

Now the burna boyz attacks in close combat do not count as power weapons so it only gets better for the BA HQ.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:Dante has a BS5 meltagun and Mephiston has a plasma pistol.

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Cheese Elemental wrote:Kanz and Dreads are your best bet. Death Company might eventually bring them down with Rending, but Mephiston and Dante don't stand a chance.

Both of those only get one shot per turn, and when you take Kanz, you take nine of them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1085729.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1085729.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA) BA HQ to get charged by nine walkers?

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Green Blow Fly wrote:Seriously who is going to set out the BA HQ to get charged by nine walkers?

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You can always hope...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1085989.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1085989.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA)
Green Blow Fly wrote:...Dante and Mephiston irregardless of who charges.


Irregardless? Really?

The mathhammer is fine. The only problem is that collection of letters right there that isn't really... well... a word.

Edit: I stand corrected.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1086827.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1086827.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA)

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445 points for only two of them.

15 Lootas
Shokk Attack Gun
7 Lootas

They all hit only Mephiston, Lootas about 2 times each for 22*2=44, with about 15 hitting, and 12-13 wounding.
Now he fails at least two wounds (by mathhammer, not taking into record the luck that almost always gives the saver third 1) and is down to one wound. Then he gets shot by Shokk Attack Gun, and about 33% chance of hitting and with one wound, almost definetly killing him (assuming no weird things happen like double 2s etc.).

Guess what happens to Dante next turn?
Thought I can say that he would take a few rounds, it is not impossible.
EDIT: All the Mathhammer are done with not very in-depth counting, so possibilities of being wrong is possible.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1086922.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1086922.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA)
Green Blow Fly wrote:
Dante -> 5 attacks, 3 hit and 1 more for the rerolls = 4 hits, 2 wounds without armor saves

Mephiston -> 8 attacks, 5 hit and 2 more for the rerolls = 7 hits, 5 more wounds without armor saves


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Thats not a good representation.

Dante - 4.69 hit, 2.345 dead.

Mephiston - 7.12 hit, 4.77 dead. (S5 assumed, cant tell by your math)



Green Blow Fly wrote:

Okay so let's do the math hammer for 12 burna boyz in a trukk pulling up to flame and charge the BA HQ. I will be generous and assume that all the flamers can touch both HQ but assume they are not joined into one unit:

12 shots, 6 on Dante & another 6 on Mephiston
3 wounds on Dante who makes all his saves (artificer armor)
2 wounds on Mephiston who also makes all his saves (artificer armor)

Now the burna boyz attacks in close combat do not count as power weapons so it only gets better for the BA HQ.

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That's not how it works. First off, The flamer template will probably hit both. Its tough to assume that both HQs are going to be assaulted but only take half the template shots.

6 wounds on each, 1 wound on dante, and 0.5 wounds on mephiston (FNP).

Even if you assume it's 6 and 6 hits each, It's still 0.5 wounds and 0.25 wounds respectively.
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I said in my example for placing the burna templates that the two HQ are not joined together but in fact I still let the burna boyz target two separate units. I was letting the orks cheat for an advantage just to better illustrate my point. The fact is orks are just not that great in close combat, excluding nobz, warbosses and some of the special characters.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:That's a great point. The green advocates purely assume they can just stroll right up and take a whack at both HQ.

I said in my example for placing the burna templates that the two HQ are not joined together but in fact I still let the burna boyz target two separate units. I was letting the orks cheat for an advantage just to better illustrate my point. The fact is orks are just not that great in close combat, excluding nobz, warbosses and some of the special characters.

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Uh if by that you mean GROTS arnt good in CC then yea Ill agree with you. Regular boyz are ass kickers in CC. I steam roll rhinos and tactical squads with boyz. Even if they get assaulted, theres always enough to get stuck in for a few rounds. I think your under estimating the potential of Orks greatly


To offer to the OP, I wouldnt rely on hordes of boyz personally (even tho I love them) simply because the HQs mentioned have really good saves. Youd pretty much be wasting that squad on the ICs mentioned. I agree mega nobs thraka,lootas. I dont use lootas, so Id have to get them with the thraka/,mega nobs approach. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1088291.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1088291.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA)
spycer wrote:
Green Blow Fly wrote:...Dante and Mephiston irregardless of who charges.


Irregardless? Really?

The mathhammer is fine. The only problem is that collection of letters right there that isn't really... well... a word.


courtesy of http://www.merriam-webster.com

Main Entry: ir·re·gard·less
Pronunciation: \ˌir-i-ˈgärd-ləs\
Function: adverb
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date: circa 1912
nonstandard : regardless

usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
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Arschbombe wrote:Don't you see? It invalidates his entire argument!


Oh yea! Excuse my ignorance ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1088318.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1088318.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA)
I think the example with Lootas shooting Mephiston failed to take into account his FNP.

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Warboss Gutrip wrote:Sorry if I am a bit biased, the last time I faced Memphiston he an his death company did nothing except die to a small unit of Harlequins. I was not impressed.


I seem to recall it being 8 Harlequins with full command and al kisses on charge. It was only 3 death company members.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1089012.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1089012.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA) * face palm *

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I had 10 harlequins charge 10 zerkers once. 3 harlequins and 2 zerkers died. Strange things will happen.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1089251.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1089251.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA)
Green Blow Fly wrote:Orks charging tactical Marines... Sure that is lopsided in the favor of hte boyz. Orkz charged by Berzerkers not nearly as good and being fearless with a craptacular armor save means you will be pulling more boyz due to No Retreat. Shoota Boyz in general are much better than Slugga Boyz.

I think the example with Lootas shooting Mephiston failed to take into account his FNP.

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YEa Im not saying that boyz are just the above all be all at CC, but youve got to give them more credit then that. I personally do more damage with just 12 boyz being dumped from a trukk then foot slogging shootas. I just cant rely on the BS of Orks.

Same with Lootas. I wouldnt rely on lootas dowing IC at all. Sure they shoot alot, and have strong guns, but Im sorry, everyone thinking they on average getting 2 or the 3 shots is just insane. Sure they shoot upto 30 times, but with that BS most of them wont hit. And yea, his FNP will just keep him in the game]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1089518.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1089518.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1093655.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1093655.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA)
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deffskullz wrote:just thinking aloud would running them over with a deff rolla work?

It would work if Dante hadn't a (in Tank Shock situation) auto-hitting meltagun, in which case even AV 14 isn't good enough.
To Green Blow Fly it is an awesome upgrade for Battlewagons which does D6 S10 hits on each unit it Tank Shocks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1101936.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1101936.page GMT Re:Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA) PK Nob.

First you lose 7 boyz to them, since they get to strike first.

88 S4 WS4 and 4 S9 WS4 on the charge. Allot the PK hits to Mephiston so he can't take FNP.

0f the 88 44 will hit, against T5 14.67 will wound, 2+ saves gives you 2.4 wounds. 2 of the PKs hit, Mephiston may or may not be gone depending on where those 2-3 wounds went earlier. You take 2-3 No Retreat wounds, and clean up next round because you only need to inflict a couple more wounds.

Also; Green Blow Fly, you're wrong. Ork Slugga Boyz are, point-for-point, the most effective close combat troops in the game. Consider that that 30-strong squad, with a PK Nob, is only 225 points total. I don't know what the point cost for Mephiston and Dante is, but I believe it's significantly higher.

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nyyman wrote:
deffskullz wrote:just thinking aloud would running them over with a deff rolla work?

It would work if Dante hadn't a (in Tank Shock situation) auto-hitting meltagun, in which case even AV 14 isn't good enough.
To Green Blow Fly it is an awesome upgrade for Battlewagons which does D6 S10 hits on each unit it Tank Shocks.
easily solveable big mek in the back of the Battle wagon with a custom force field. Melta becomes half as effective and you kill Dante with DOG and the unit takes 2D6 wound ... even if he gets lucky and kills the BW... on the off chance he does kill the BW theres also a unit of 15 burnas with the Big mek, and just cover him with flamy goodness and charge...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1103009.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1103009.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA)
roll enough dice and everything dies... 15 burnas fire their flamer templates first then charge... that should soften them up quite a bit, plus any gun on their trukk. I've killed a termy squad with a ton of lasguns it's always possible with numbers



this made me laugh for a while

1: meph is a wound regenerating tank, with a 2+, burnas wont do gak to him.

2: orks charge, and get to go last while meph and dante hack them apart in a single turn.

3: i only run meph, but i run him with 10 death company and a chappy, so charging that unit will do nothing except cost you a KP and a nice chunk of points



If you really want them dead then just swarm them or work on a large amount of firepower.

IE: 45 lootas will kill either dante or meph in a single turn.

30 boyz charging them may kill them, but its a gamble since you will lose a large amount of your impact when they strike 1st.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1103025.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1103025.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA)
Tri wrote: easily solveable big mek in the back of the Battle wagon with a custom force field. Melta becomes half as effective


1. Kustom with a K. Get it right, ya git.

2. Does DoG count as an assault and thus negate the KFF effect? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1103136.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1103136.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA)
Eidolon wrote:Do the two HQs not roll around with the deathcompany, and then detach to unleash rape elsewhere?


retinue get's flame grilled in the 12 templates.......

provided that you manage to cover them 6 times with 12 templates


6 hits 3 wounds 1 kill

also afaik a battlewagon can take 16 boys

so 16 flamertemplates + bw weaponry

with a retinue of 10 you'll wind up with 150 flamer hits or so as per new rules that is 15 hits a piece, which is an utter overkill on the retinue

and 7.5 wounds on each mephiston and dante so 1.25 wounds after saves on dante and 0.625 on mephi....

then you can hit them with a bunch of lootas and there goes his uber cc squad....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1103560.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1103560.page GMT Defeating Mephiston and Dante (BA)
Arschbombe wrote:
Tri wrote: easily solveable big mek in the back of the Battle wagon with a custom force field. Melta becomes half as effective


1. Kustom with a K. Get it right, ya git.

2. Does DoG count as an assault and thus negate the KFF effect?

Spell checker auto corrected ¬_¬ and missed solvable any way ...
DoG allows the model to make a single attack which automatically hits but if it is a ranged weapon that counts as being at range; if that's a close combat weapon then it counts as close combat. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1103822.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/262987/1103822.page GMT